BBC Question Time - Michael Gove faces the audience

Micheal Gove on the risk leaving the EU, Trade, Security and Democracy

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This is the full debate on last nights Question Time between Vote Leave supporter Michael Grove and the public's questions.

Michael Gove is a Tory MP, working for the Ministry of Justice as well as being a lead member of the Vote Leave campaign.

You can watch the audience take him on in the 3 videos below.

Michael Gove on Question Time - Part 1

Michael Gove on Question Time - Part 2

Michael Gove on Question Time - Part 3

Who do you think of Michael Gove's idea that we should be outside the European Free Trade Zone and trading with the rest of the world.

If this was the case there would be no bias towards trading with any other growing economies in the world. This doesn't include the Antarctic and the EU which are the two only stagnant non growing areas by GDP in the last decade.

From my own experience the migrants that seem to be propping up the NHS are from the Commonwealth, Far East and Africa and thank god they do. Apart from some cleaners I have yet to meet a Polish or Romanian Doctor or nurse. 

I am not saying they don't exist as statistics show that they do work in large numbers in the NHS. I am just saying in my own experience I have met more migrant workers from Africa or the Philippines. We need migrants but we don't want to turn the UK into Poland or Nepal by allowing so many in that we don't recognise our own country any more. 

The South East of England has a very high migrant population where whole working class estates have changed their ethnic make up. In certain boroughs there is no council housing stock remaining for people to put their names on as we all used to be able to do, working or not. Now you only get on the list if you are dying within a year or have a severe disability in some areas where there is low housing association stock. 

I got my own letter from my local council kicking me off the housing list a decade ago saying the remaining housing association stock was all gone due to the high influx of migrants. A single male whether you have a job, severely ill, or homeless is supposed to be able to look after himself in the governments eyes. I was told unless I was dying within a year I "might" get a place - nice.

Michael is not like many in the Vote Remain campaign, a little Englander who doesn't want any immigration he just wants managed migration so that we can check who comes in and who leaves our country. 

Our previous government has been woefully slow in building new houses, expanding schools, hospitals and easing the pressures pushed onto the UK citizens under Labours decision to allow mass migration without limits in 2004 when the doors to the new Easter European countries were opened. 

Therefore letting a third of a million more people each year is not just going to just send the UK population to 70+  million but where are all these new houses to fill a city the size of Liverpool going to come from and where is the room to build them?

If we cannot even build enough new homes for the people already living here how can we even expect to keep building new cities in one of the most crowded counties in the world - migrants or no migrants?

Therefore when it comes to the shortage of housing there are two choices:
- Slow the rate of migration so there is less demand on the houses we still have or,
- Build a hell of a lot more houses. Something no government has done well since after WWII when they had to clear the slums of London and built many new towns around the country to place these ex Londoners.

Why not cut the red tape, make approval for building schemes easier to pass,and always ensure 15%+ OF ALL flats and houses, whether they are in council estates, middle class estates or even the the huge apartments springing up in London that are only visited by their super rich Chinese or Russian owners once a year, only available to Housing Associations.

As for those rich people who never visit their houses they should be forced to allow homeless people to live in them due to them being basically abandoned and not kept in use. By not living in these expensive houses in London they have ruined the local economy as local shops have no customers and the local bars have no-one to drink in them. They are closing all the time.

If new rules need to be implemented to prevent people just buying big houses that are never or hardly used whilst surrounded by hundreds of thousands of homeless people then they should be passed ASAP. 

With so many people homeless or on housing waiting lists allowing the super rich to buy up houses that are hardly lived in seems stupid beyond belief. There has to be a better way and the EU cannot be blamed for this problem. Labour and Conservative governments have all failed to build enough houses in recent decades since Thatcher sold off a large percentage of the council housing that existed.

We need policies that say if you have a second home but don't use it for more than 250 days per year then they should be automatically opened up in some manner so that homeless people can stay there whilst the owners don't want to.

Remember no-on is arguing for a binary argument where we either have no migration or lots of it. It just needs to be controlled. It isn't exactly a nice choice as we need young migrants to pay their taxes to fund the growing old pensioners who need their money. However the ageing population also causes problems for youngsters looking for jobs. If someone is still working at the age of 70 then that is a job a 20 year old out of college can't do.

So far the government has just been raising the age of the pension which means young English people straight out of college cannot get jobs. Currently we are going to have 75 old grannies on reception and 65+ year old computer programmers working in IT departments. All preventing younger workers and ex students from getting work. This is all due to our rubbish and regularly milked pension pot growing bare which is why migration has been allowed to grow to help feed the tax pot.

There has to be a balance where the old stop working so that the jobs can be taken up by the young. It's common sense. At the moment it just drives up unemployment benefits except for the younger unemployed who the Tories have staggered and even prevented from getting unemployment benefits. No wonder the young people of today are mightily pissed off with what our governments are doing to them

Also if we didn't have wage suppression by allowing mass modern day slavery, yes we are currently the 5th largest nation involved in modern day slavery, we cannot possibly help downward pressures on unskilled wages when Romanian and Polish workers are willing to valet and wash you car for a tenner at the local garage.

From the site: www.antislavery.org

So next tame you get a cheap valet just think that those people working are sleeping 8 to a room or in appalling condition's and have probably had their passports taken off them until they can earn enough money to pay for them back. 

Now how is helping more unskilled and unqualified EU migrants into the country without jobs just so they can be sucked into such despicable jobs that we benefit from helpful to the immigrants?

Also how helpful is it to the unskilled English workers pushed out of jobs due to the downward pressures on the their wages?

Can you name the top 10 jobs that unskilled EU migrants do when entering the UK:

Table 1 - Top ten occupations of foreign-born workers, 2014

Top 10 by workforce share, all migrants		%	Occupation share	Top 10 by workforce share, recent migrants	%	Occupation share
	(1)	(2)	(3)	(4)	(5)	(6)
1	Elementary process plant occupations	43	0.9	Elementary process plant occupations	19	0.9
2	Cleaning and housekeeping managers	34	0.2	Process operatives	12	0.9
3	Process operatives	32	0.9	Cleaning and housekeeping managers	11	0.2
4	Food preparation and hospitality	30	1.5	Elementary cleaning occupations	8	2.4
5	Health professionals	28	1.7	Health professionals	7	1.4
6	Elementary cleaning occupations	27	2.4	Elementary agricultural occupations	7	0.3
7	Managers and proprietors in hospitality	25	0.9	Elementary construction occupations	7	0.6
8	Natural and social science professionals	24	0.7	Assemblers and routine operatives	6	0.9
9	Elementary storage occupations	23	1.4	Other elementary service occupations	6	3.2
10	Assemblers and routine operatives	22	0.9	Natural and social science professionals	6	0.7

Note: occupation share indicates the share of total employment represented by the occupation.

Source: Labour Force Survey 2014

Are we really saying we don't have enough UK born people to do these jobs?

If the migrants doing them were not here and pushing wages right down then the department of Employment could easily get a large % of unemployed Brits to take up jobs on assembly lines, construction and food preparation and hospitality.

The problem is that the people hiring these migrants are paying them less than the minimum wage on the hush hush.

We need to stop rich companies abusing and taking advantage of EU workers by paying them a pittance and sue them if they are caught out.

We should also introduce a law that every skilled or non skilled job has to be offered to at least 5 long term unemployed Brits before going out to tender in the EU market. This way at least the people in our own country get a chance at working first.

If no Brit takes the job then fair play, allow a migrant to come over and work for the amount of wages they accept. 

So after Michael's one person debate against the British people what do you think of his views and performance?

Did he handle himself well in the interviews and did any of his arguments sway your mind?

Don't forget to vote only days to go.

References:

http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/slavery_in_the_uk/default.asp

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Michael Gove putting forward a positive case for leaving the EU

Michael Gove putting forward a positive case for leaving the EU

This is a recent question and answer session between Andrew Marr and the the Vote Leave MP, Michael Gove, in which he puts forward a positive case for leaving the EU.

In 2014, Gove was moved to the post of Chief Whip. Following the 2015 election, Gove was promoted to the offices of Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice.

In 2016, Michael Gove has played a major role in the UK's referendum on EU membership as a leader of Vote Leave. He has even been prepared to be dismissed from the Cabinet if the UK votes to Remain in the EU which go against his wish to leave.

"I don't mind if my Cabinet career is over," the Justice Secretary said.

"I think the most important thing is to make a principled case for Britain leaving the EU."

In this debate with Andrew Marr in which Michael Gove says:

The European "establishment" wants the UK to remain in the EU, Justice Secretary Michael Gove has claimed, because it is in their interest to do so given the current balance of trade. But the UK should be driven by its own national interest and what is a "win-win" for it - notably control over its borders, the ability to decide how it spends its money and "greater democratic control". The EU "needs to think again", he adds.

It seems that evey day Project Fear are bringing out new warnings such as George Osborne yesterday claiming that if we left the EU we would have to call an immediate Budget where we would have to slash public spending on the NHS and put taxes up to fill the instantaneous multi billion pound hole that would suddenly envelope us.

How this debt would suddenly come out of nowhere, considering a BREXIT would take years to organise, I don't know.

However I have no doubt George Osborne is doing it for 2 reasons:

1. If they really thought leaving the EU would cause a massive recession, World War III and trade tariffs instantly then they have been derelict in their duty by even offering us a referendum in the first place. The PM and Chancellor were not being so doom and gloomy before we went into negotiations. So either the negotiations went very badly and everything David Cameron wanted was dismissed, leaving him with some feeble options to stay paying for the EU and their EURO Bailouts while all the time fobbing off the UK public with some watered down ideas based around delayed benefit changes for EU migrants. Or they didn't think the British people would ever vote to leave anyway.

Not many people realise that this welfare bill will not stop European immigration. So more Europeans, up to the size of a City of Liverpool a year, will still come to our shores, All it does is just extend the time they have to be here before claiming benefits. So if Europeans have money, jobs or a way to survive that is not going to stop them coming to the UK if they want to putting pressure on the NHS, schools and other public services.

Also there is the new idea of an Economic Stabilisation Fund. This is a piece of EU law that demands any EU country has a time limit to supply the EU with ANY amount of money (Billions), that they ask from them in case of another EURO crisis, which is on the cards. The worst think about this is that they are waiting until after the EU Referendum to sign this off by our duplicitous leaders.

We need to leave the European Court of Justice to prevent them making deals with the US who have far laxer privacy rules than the EU. Just like the SWIFT Banking agreement where our own data protection laws give some level of protection. Despite this the Americans demand all bank transactions from within the EU so that they can built their super spy computers under UTAH to analyse them looking for dodgy transactions and signs of terrorism.

We also need to leave if we want to implement our own form of the Human Rights Act and send home jihadists caught before or returning from the war or about to commit terrorist crimes. The Humans Right Act is a great thing as it protects our workers rights, holidays ans sick pay and give us a right to a family life with out government interference. However with this set of laws we cannot deport convicted terrorist prisoners once their jail time is up due to the Human Right to a Family Life. We need to just take things like this on the chin, ignore the EU law, and do it anyway like the French do. We do have the power to overrule the EU if we want especially if it is related to security. What is worse an EU fine or having ISIS jihadis and al-Qaeda funders running all over the UK.


2. Another reason George would be threatening another budget is an excuse to implement more Austerity measures but have the cover of "you voted for it so it's your fault". The Tories would love to gut the NHS and social security and join us up into the TTIP if we-left the EU and the EU negotiations fail.

Are we 100% sure that the Tories would spent any of the money saved from not paying the claimed £320+ million a day (minus rebates) to the EU to the NHS and schools instead. Can we be sure that the Tories would protect our workers rights that many of them call "red tape"?

It has only been European solidarity that has seen TTIP almost in tatters and the farmers of France rioting over it's implementation. Only with EU solidarity has workers rights given us paid weekends, paid holidays and paid slick leave, many of which are not even available in big US companies like Walmart. If the Tories see holidays and sick pay as "red tape" would they abolish or reduce our rights to them or would they be protected at all costs? I would feel much safer if it was a Labour government in power during this vote.

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What do you think of Tory Cabinet minister and Vote Leave campaigner, Michael Gove, voting against his PM and George Osborne?

George Osborne has been ramping up project fear the last 2 days by saying we would need emergency budgets to slash spending in the NHS, raise pension ages and other draconian austerity measures. 

All the sort of things aimed at scaring normal woman and men into voting for the status quo - just to be on the safe side.

Just remember this.

If George Osborne and David Cameron REALLY, HONESTLY, thought that leaving the EU would cause this much danger to our economy. With threats of WW III even being bandied about and the breakup of the EU talked about if we left.

If they truly believed that would happen then do you really think they would have been saying so many Euroscpetic messages for the past decades and within the last parliament and especially in opposition?

If they honestly thought we are going to head into a recession and the sky is going to fall on our heads, then they were lying about that back then. It's either that or they are more scared of losing the vote now they are true European Establishment Elitists.

Any government who allows the people to make such an important choice knowing that if they vote one way a financial Armageddon would face us is derelict in their duty for even offering us the choice to vote in the first place.

It was not that long back when David Cameron was offering to lead the vote out of the EU if he didn't get what he wanted in his watered down, worthless deal from Europe.

So please take that in mind when you consider voting - the first casualty of any war OR political debate is TRUTH!


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Who Really Rules Us?

Who Really Rules Us?

This is a BBC (UK State run TV channel), documentary on the EU by Jeremy Paxman. In it he looks at who really runs the EU and makes our laws.

The blurb on the video says:

As the EU referendum debate approaches its climax, Jeremy Paxman takes viewers on a journey to the heart of Europe, meeting the movers, shakers and anonymous faces who run the EU. His central question is simple - has the UK given the power to rule it to Europe, and if so, does it matter? Meeting crucial figures like Michael Gove and Nick Clegg, he hears arguments on both sides, whilst also trying to understand just how the incredibly complex organisation operates. On his journey he struggles through the Parliamentarian (an EU museum that tries to explain the place), tries on a replica of Margaret Thatcher's famous EU jumper and samples the EU-regulated wares of the Portobello Road.

Do you think anything from the BBC can be believed or do you see it as a state mouthpiece that is always going to be pro-EU whilst the government of the day wants us to remain in the EU?