Why the left voted to Leave the EU

Why the left voted to Leave the EU

The votes came in during Thursday night, and the world woke up to shock on Friday morning. The UK had voted to leave the EU.

There is no denying that the voting was very close with 51.9% people voting to leave and 48.1% of UK citizens voting to stay.

This map of the UK on the BBC news site shows the breakdown of the vote.

There is also no denying that the UK is now very split because of the decision. Apart from London, the cosmopolitan city of the world where a hundred nations have their own "China Town" areas, the rest of England voted to leave in strong numbers.

Wales also overwhelmingly voted to leave, but Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to stay. This is obviously going to cause many further issues with the SNP already calling for another referendum on leaving the UK.

We could be seeing the breakup of the UK and maybe even the EU with many other nations wanting their own vote to leave the EU.

However despite the issues many people will be wondering why so many people on the left side of politics voted to leave the EU.

We already knew that huge swathes of right wing Tories and UKIP supporters have been waiting for years for a chance to vote to leave the EU, but lots of you will be wondering why so many left wing and Labour voters chose to also vote to leave the EU.

Isn't the left supposed to be all for the EU, and the social aspects of a Europe. An area where we all are one people on the same continent, working and living where we want, and having our rights protected on a European level?

Well this video might help you understand why left wing voters decided to support a BREXIT.

It's a talk by Mark Blyth a professor of Political Economy at Brown University.

In the video he talks about the BREXIT vote and the ramifications for the ‎UK and ‎Europe.

He also considers the current situation in ‎Greece and the long run effects of what he calls "Trampism".

It is well worth watching if you are wondering why people voted to leave from the left.



So did that video help you understand why the left voted to leave the EU?

Remember, the Blairites are not real left wingers and their opportunistic attack on Jeremy Corbyn just proves that fact.

Labour is supposed to be the party of the workers but many of the poor white working class Labour voters have been the people to suffer worst from globalism and "free trade", a system where prices and wages are pressured downwards to the lowest level.

You could be having your job threatened by workers from the Eastern European countries who are willing to work for less than you.

Or you could be waiting long times for doctors appointments due to the large number of people needing the services and not enough GP's and consultants to handle the pressures.

Or you see successive right wing (Blairite and Tory) Governments not funding our public services to the right levels, or building enough council houses.

If so then you are going to be angry and pissed off.

Who are you going to blame?

Well many people on the right have blamed the migrants but many on the left blame the establishment and the constant push towards globalism.

The UK government, Blairites, the EU and all the other globalist entities including the worldwide corporations who benefit from cheap labour and their ability to base companies in cheap tax havens, are the ones who have been the ire of many on the left.

These people are not racist they are just suffering, and they see the EU and other global forces and ideas such as the TTIP trade agreement. 

This is one agreement which we are now hopefully out of due to it being agreed on an EU / US level. 

The forces who want TTIP have helped push countries to offshore their jobs to lower wage countries and allow cheap labour to flood into the UK. These are all globalist plans which have hurt so many poor unskilled, skilled and even professional workers.

So hopefully that video will help you understand why many on the left wing voted for BREXIT and it may even make you think that it was the right decision.

Let me know in the new poll at the top of the page,

68% of you voted to leave in the last poll so that may tell you something about the division in the country over the EU referendum vote. It's definitely a country split down the middle on the EU.

However now we have left you many have changed your mind about your decision.

Put your mouse where your heart is and tell me what you think.

The TRUTH about BREXIT from Stefan Molyneux

The TRUTH about BREXIT from Stefan Molyneux

This is a talk about BREXIT from the anarcho-capitalist and secular libertarian Stefan Molyneux about what he sees as the major reason and point of the EU referendum - migration and the right of English people to keep England English.

You may not agree with his view of multi-culturalism but he does show us how the number of migrants from within the EU and outside the EU has been wildly under-estimated by comparing the Governments projections and estimated figures with the number of National Insurance numbers given out.

This reveals a staggering discrepancy between the Governments projections and the actual number of workers who have come here over the last decade.

His video has the following write up:

On June 23rd, 2016, the United Kingdom determines if it will leave the European Union to re-embrace national sovereignty.

While there are economic scare stories, concerns about international trade complications and fears about the United Kingdom becoming isolated on a world stage – make no mistake that upcoming EU Referendum vote is truly now about Immigration and the European Migrant Crisis.

Sources: http://www.fdrurl.com/brexit


Has his views changed your mind on voting?

Do you want to continue to live in an "English" England or don't you mind that we are being lied to by our Government about the current levels of migration.

Is a multi-cultural country ideal in your eyes or can you remember the times before the free movement of people when people could get council houses, doctors surgeries were not lotteries to get seen by a doctor at, jobs were not competitions with large numbers of people all willing to work for less than you, and you could walk down certain London districts and still know you were in England.

Is it racist to think like that or is there nothing wrong with wanting to go back to a time where the country shared a cultural identity?

Don't forget to vote at the top and let us know what you think of his views in the comment section.

You can view more videos from the free thinker, Stefan Molyneux, over on his YouTube channel.

Will you vote to stay in the EU or leave it?

Will you vote to stay in the EU or leave it?

Do you want to stay in the European Union or leave it?

By Dark Politricks

I hope you have taken the poll at the top of the page, if not do so and you can always come back and change your mind later on.

As the debate rages around the UK on whether we should leave or stay in the EU. The question is are people really thinking for themselves or are they just believing all the crap that the daily rags tell them to?

We have owners of multiple papers who live offshore most of the year just to get out of paying their fair share of UK tax, telling us tax payers what to do. Is this really fair? It's just the rich elite who are always going to go from strength to strength as long as no-one stands up to them enforcing their will on the people as they always do.

Will people who vote actually make a real decision or will they be swayed like the US electorate always is to vote for the person with the biggest smile, angriest most bullish comments and plans to "restore America to greatness" as if it had suddenly become a third world country without the biggest economy and military in the world?

So the BREXIT referendum all rests on whether people believe the "deal" Cameron brought back was worth the paper it was written on or not.

To me Cameron's "Deal", is just a tinkering around the edges that prevents migrants from claiming benefits for years, and allows Britain to cap the number of people entering the country. It really doesn't make much of a difference at all.

We will still will be bound by the European Court of Human Rights, pay our monthly millions to be part of the EU, and whilst the Euro zone members make important financial decisions we will now be left out of them and probably still be asked to pay towards any bailouts such as those for Greece and Ireland etc.

I never got to vote to join the EC in the 70's.

That was the Economic Community, a joining together of countries for free trade without tariffs between members and a supposed opening up of the many countries nationalised utilities and businesses.

It was not a vote on whether we should join a European Super State, with its own Defence Force, a 3 tier decision-making system where the most democratic body, the European Parliament, has the least power.

People complain about the number of EU migrants that enter Southern Europe and are then just waved through multiple  counties until they reach Germany or Calais hoping to get to England. However we must remember that about 1.8m Britons live in Europe, with Spain boasting an expat population of just over 1m UK citizens.

Of the Britons living in Europe, 400,000 are claiming a state pension from the UK.

The question is, if free movement is good for us, what will happen when it is shut down. We may be able to control the number of migrants from the EU entering the country but what will happen to the retired wrinkled leather tanned grannies of the Costa Del Sol?


An ex Pat, enjoying the Sun and beach

Will these ex pats all have to go through some sort of immigration test as if they were trying to get green cards in the US?

I cannot even imagine many Brits passing any part of a test that expected them to know the hosts language and culture.

It could be that we manage to make arrangements that doesn't affect Brits with jobs OR money from going out to live in the EU however I am guessing a lot of EU members are really pissed off with us at the moment for getting a "special membership deal".

Whilst Germany and France wanted to keep us in the EU for the risk that it might fall apart, I can well imagine many newer members are thinking, why does the UK always try to get it's own way?

From my perspective it would have been good if Cameron had reached a consensus with other members that would have reformed the EU properly.

You know basic things like make it truly democratic, removed any moves to keep pushing for a super state, restored it back to a trading block that was good for business without all the imported laws and of course stopped all the massive fraud which has prevented a real audit for many years now.

There are lots of things wrong with the EU and the constant push towards a superstate is one of them. One of the original ideas was to try and make a block of states that was an equal balance to the power of the US but instead we have just turned into the USA's cross pond bitch.

So I believe Cameron's almost Chamberlain like "Peace in our time", excitement at having got his deal, is going to bite him in the butt just as Chamberlain found out when the NAZI's ignored his magic bit of paper and rolled across Europe.

This is small fry being pumped with steroids to make it seem like a massive change in our relationship with the EU. In reality it is some small changes around the edges.

If ever someone had made a worthless deal and wanted to sell it to the public as if it was a magic exemption from all the EU's meddling in our lives, like the EU Human Rights Law that protects us from this Police State country over reaching in its step, then this is it.

When I was younger I liked being able to hop on a plane and just go to Spain to live. I had no job but that didn't matter, free movement of people and workers meant we could all go where we wanted when we wanted without border checks, citizenship tests and green cards.

For those who have never lived abroad and have only gone to Ibiza on your holiday or maybe a trip to Paris on Valentines day then you won't really think about the difference between a holiday and actually being able to pick up your bags and literally run off to any part of Europe with no questions asked.

However whilst Spain has always been the old stereotyped destination for our UK retirees it seems over recent year the US, Australia and the rest of the world have overtaken Europe for the primary destination for those with one foot in the grave.

The top 10 destinations for Britons to retire to are now:

• Channel Islands: 73,030
• Germany: 96,938
• France: 172,806
• Ireland: 253,605
• South Africa: 305,660
• New Zealand: 313,850
• Spain: 381,025
• Canada: 674,371
• United States of America: 758,919
• Australia: 1,277,474

So maybe the modern "cultured" Brit is changing their retirement plans and thinking a bit more further than the Costa Del Crime nowadays.

Spain has always been our number one destination for holidays and retirees. A place where you can enjoy the 40° heat and drink British beer in pubs frequented by famous English gangsters on the run.

So many famous British gangsters have been out to the Costa Del Sol no wonder we call it the Costa Del Crime.

However it seems we are looking wider than Med for our retirement plans - that's if we get any pension money. I doubt I will ever see any from the thousands I have put into the system over my working career. It seems the Tories want us to work until our 80's and the age is constantly being pushed upwards.

There have been rumblings from Tory think tanks for years now from people already on hundreds of thousands of pounds a month pensions who believe we should do voluntary work in our retirement to collect our hard earned pension.

Leaving the EU won't stop any evil Tory plans from coming to fruition and if we want a REAL CHANGE in our democracy and the way we act in the world we should be thinking about NATO. 

What would we do if Turkey start a war with Russia over Syria, we would be forced to fight on their side whether they started the war by deception or not. I am more worried about World War III happening due to duplicitous NATO allies at the moment than the amount of money we pay in and get back in rebates from the EU.

We should also be thinking about how the Tories have tripled our national debt in the years they were supposedly "fixing the roof whilst the sun was shining", and supposedly cutting the ever so important deficit. The deficit may have dropped but the total amount of debt has increased hugely due to the Tories thinking that the poorer we all are, the more money we will spend.

They have failed us. In Europe, on the world stage and most importantly at home.

Austerity hasn't worked at all and the national debt has ballooned because of the Tories core voters (the grey brigade), will vote against anyone who dares to cut their pensions.

These take up a vast proportion of the social security budget and will undoubtedly be ignored whist the disabled and poor are forced to suffer through the bedroom tax, universal credit, and the severe lack of social housing we have in this country.

Europe has no control over these areas of our lives and if we want to sort out our country we really need to get rid of the failed Tories and try their method of printing money, not at 0% interest rates so the Banksters can lend it to us through companies like WONGA at 5,853% APR, but to invest in infrastructure, building new homes and putting people through education. If we can do it for the banks why can't we do it for the people?

Remember we were in a much worse off state in the years after WWII. We only just finished off paying our debt to the US a few years ago under Gordon Brown.

Despite that we still created the NHS, cleared the slums of London and built thousands of new houses and multiple new towns for the people moved out of London. Plus we ushered in an age of economic prosperity that latest decades.

It is only short-sighted Tory thinking that keeps us in the current trap we are in. One where bankers must be bailed out even though they should be in jail, and the poor are paying off the national debt, despite having no money.

If only we would just wipe any national debt on citizens like Iceland did to many mortgage holders that were linked to inflation. It sounds crazy but would put money in the pockets of those most likely to spend it, plus create a huge demand for goods and a rise in GDP.

Having a "National Bank" that can print money as long as it's for investment in houses and jobs could give us full employment, cheaper rent and accommodation costs and more money in the pocket to spend to increase GDP.

At the moment our whole economy, just like it was during Labours time in office, is built on the house of cards made from debt. People remortgaging houses or taking out loans to spend on goods. An unsustainable recovery. Screw the bankers who say it cannot be done. We did it for you, why can't we do it to actually help rebuild our country?

So the question is, are people going to think with their heads or their hearts about this exit from the EU.

A lot has changed with the European project to stop a further European war after WWII, with France and Germany the two main actors in this union coming together to ensure that the rest of Europe sticks together and shows "solidarity".

From stopping a war to free trade agreements and a central bank. Then a EU flag, courts and parliament. Then laws enforced on us which we don't want. All whilst we pay billions to be part of a club that's money could be better spent on hospitals and schools. That is one argument for leaving.

The problem is that war fades in people's minds, especially those who never fought in WWII or who had family who did.

"What does the EU have to do with WWII" many people will ask. 

Now that the EU project is more about creating a super state, it spies on us and hands over all bank transactions to the US as well as traces of our Internet history and anything else the NSA overlords demand. However even if we leave the EU I guess due to our "special relationship", with the US, we would still carry on letting our GCHQ be the NSA's bitch, so nothing would change on the police state front.

Also whilst we may collaborate as a big trading block to face China, the BRICS and North American trading blocks, can the BREXIT crew really convince us that on an economic scale we would really be better outside this trading block.

Selling tea to India, ornaments to Russia and other small manufactured products across the world is the BREXIT plan. We don't build big things anymore. Our ship building industry is almost gone and we have offshored so many jobs that actually make things, you know jobs good for all those skilled manual workers we are trying to find jobs for, that we are just a service economy. Selling ideas, concepts and of course bank trickery.

If we leave the EU will we survive without the cheap gas and electricity we import from the EU, or will we get extra tariffs put on them putting us even further into debt. The French/Chinese nuclear power stations that were supposed to be on their way have only just been signed off.

It will take another 20 years at least until we see these new power stations so we will be relying on our dwindling North Sea Oil stocks and imports seeing that we never really bothered investing in green energy.

This is despite being an island surrounded by multiple ways of making energy from natural sources such as the sea, wind and sun. We have loads of places to put under sea turbines that use wave power and windmills off shore to take in their blustery winds. We really never tried as we suffered from a  "not in my back garden" mentality, whenever a wind farm was proposed to be build anyway near a house.

So will people even consider the financial terms of leaving or will they think what the Sun, Daily Mail and other trash papers tell them to think?

The EU is a debt ridden collection of states that turned the thumb screws on Greece, Italy and Spain all so that they could enforce austerity, increase taxes and pay back Goldman Sachs and that other evil trio, the European Bank, IMF and World Bank.

Do we want to live in a place that see's solidarity between nations as one that involves throwing the poor to the dogs so that their rich Banksters who caused the mess can be fully compensated. Plus solidarity is not where Germany gets to bend the rules but smaller states can't lest they risk German austerity plans as the cost of remaining in the Euro.

This financial crisis that has still not been solved since 2008 is just waiting for another explosion. When it comes it will make 2008 look like a picnic.

Will the UK, the hub of banksters from the terrorist supporting, Mexican drug dealing, al-Qaeda funding HSBC to the corrupt Barclay's brothers, really be better inside or out when the next economic explosion occurs.

As the City of London is basically it's own country within a country, where the leaders of the companies and banks get to sit on their special council and can "command" the Chancellor to appear before them, they will probably see no difference in their money making schemes whether we leave or stay.

To me it all depends on who is in charge.

The Tories seem to want to put the strain of any recovery on the backs of the working class whilst rewarding their rich friends.

Their recent budget removed £30 from the disabled people of our country that gave them support to get dressed and move about and instead they have given the richest more tax breaks. It is clear where their priorities lie. Voting Tory is like voting for a gang rape on yourself. Why people do it I have no idea.

On the other hand Labour, SNP, the Greens and Lib Dems feel that a more even policy that involves banksters going to jail and splitting up the banks between Casinos and Savings is called for.

On top of that more measures that don't punish the poor but instead help them climb up the ladder whilst the rich who have become more wealthy in the last 5+ years are made to contribute their fair share.

Whether they will actually stick to their words is a totally different matter. We just have to look at the Lib Dems when they got their taste of power to see how power corrupts and good promises become faded memories.

So what will make you vote yes or no when the time comes?

EU Democracy or the lack of it?

The prospect of war?

Finance and austerity?

Migration?

Not being held to account to the European Convention of Human Rights (an act the Tories wrote after WWII to show how civilised we are)

Or something else?

Let me know.

View the original article at www.darkolitricks.com.

By Dark Politricks 

Nigel Farage debating Nick Clegg at the Oxford Union over leaving the EU

Nigel Farage debating Nick Clegg at the Oxford Union over leaving the EU

This is part of a debate that took place at the Oxford Union over whether Britain should leave the EU.

There were many more participants than the two videos I have shown here but these are two of the more well known voices from either side of the BREXIT debate.

Watch Nigel Farage leader of UKIP discuss his reasons why the UK should leave the EU at the Oxford Union.



Watch Nick Clegg lay out his reasons in the same debate why Britain is better together with the EU.



Both Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have worked at the EU either as MEP's.

They will take huge pensions when they retire long before us and whilst working at the EU they would have had big expense accounts to fund their job, hire help and so on.

This is one reason many people dislike the EU because of the amount of money wasted on MEP's and their allowances. Also its payments have been consistently found subject to significant error for the past 18 years.

Which argument did you find more convincing, Nick Cleggs or Nigel Farages?

Does the threat of Scotland and maybe Wales leaving the UK if we pull out of the EU make you want to vote for staying in the EU or do you think they have the right to independence anyway?

Will you vote with objectivity or use logic and facts when making your decision. This will affect you and your children for decades to come so I hope it's the latter!

London Mayor Boris Johnson Says Obama Should Stay Out of BREXIT Debate

London Mayor Boris Johnson Says Obama Should Stay Out of BREXIT Debate

London Mayor Boris Johnson called U.S. President Barack Obama a hypocrite on Monday (March 14) in his column for the Daily Telegraph newspaper.

He called Obama's plan to urge British voters to remain in the European Union a "piece of outrageous and exorbitant hypocrisy".

"There is an irony in that America is a country that defends its sovereignty, its democracy with more vigilance than any other country I can think of, it refuses to allow its citizens to be subject to any other international jurisdiction whatever. It would not for a minute countenance, pooling its national sovereignty in any way. And so it's curious that we should be urged further down that path," Johnson told reporters during an official visit to London's Olympic Park.

He refused to repeat the word "hypocrite", but when pressed on whether Obama's position on Britain remaining in the EU was hypocritical, Johnson said: "It is, it is. It is not something the United States would dream of doing themselves."

It is reported in UK media that Obama will come to London in April and will likely air his views on a possible Brexit in the upcoming June referendum.

Last year Obama told the BBC that the Britain should stay in the European Union to remain influential on the world stage.

A group of politicians in Britain have told President Obama to stay out of the BREXIT debate.

In a letter, the members said any move would be an “unfortunate milestone”. It was signed by Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, Labour MPs Kelvin Hopkins and Kate Hoey, Tories Tom Pursglove and Peter Bone and the DUP’s Sammy Wilson, according to The Express.

“We have chosen to respectfully request he recognizes matters of sovereignty are best left to the citizens directly affected. We would certainly never think of visiting the United States and telling the U.S. public how to vote in an election,” said Hoey.