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Wednesday, 22 February 2017

Tony Blair Speech On BREXIT


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Tony Blair probably the most hated man in Britain after the Iraq war, the Chilcot Inquiry, Getting thrown out of a book signing event due to protests and of course his complicity in the redacted 28/29 9.11 Commission Report. Is back on the scene.

A report that's whole purpose was designed to get a war with Iraq going so that the Saudi's become the biggest oil, weapons and terrorist producers in the area.

The problem was there was no evidence so Tony Blair faked his dossier on the threat to British troops in Cyprus saying they could be hit within 45 minutes.

He also went along with the lies of the Bush administration who wanted to clear the area of Shi'ites and make a peaceful area for Israel to live and possibly expand into.

The Saudis are already working with Israel in Syria being blown up by Russian missiles. Or helping in the Yemen conflict. Oh and of course we are making billions selling planes, arms and armaments to this despotic regime that should be put on the Anti Human League Commission at the UN.

This is one thing I noticed about Putin this year. The Americans have a press conference every day where they tell Russia off, or threaten sanctions or some other threat. Putin just does it.

Like the intercepted Axis of Wars message to their ISIS buddie to start an attack on Syrian and Russian troops in Aleppo last month. Russia just sent some cruise missiles into this intel unit and killed the US, UK, Israeli, Saudi, Turkish and Qatari intel operators in there.

You could tell America was angry. They put Russia on notice in their next day's press conference and threatened sanctions which won't pass anyway.

This is Tony Blair telling us we were too stupid to understand the factors involved in leaving the EU and that it was too complex for us serfs to agree to out Lords decisions.

Tony Blair wants another EU referendum against the "catastrophe" of BREXIT.

 

The blurb underneath the video said:

Tony Blair calls for people to 'rise up' against BREXIT- BBC News. As if we the people, the majority of the countries votes, went to something we didn't understand. It wasn't all about migrants but left wing voters had good reasons to vote against the EU anyway.

Here is a very good video by increasingly popular anti austerity driver Mark Blythe at Browns University. We have some good talks on here from him, short to long, however I suggest checking them out first before you start calling all BREXIT voters immigrants. You can view a short one here.

Here he explains capitalism's possible collapse with in clear language how globalization and capitalism are failing people throughout the world and why that means more BREXIT's and Donald Trumps are on the way. 

This is a talk Mark Blythe gave on the Jimmy Dore show.




Then there is the usual abuse you get from the Murdoch Right Wing media and their offshoots. Katy the Evil one Hopkins on her radio show the other day gave Blair a good bashing in just like she did when Barrack Obama wanted us to stay in the EU.

These globalists just don't seem to understand that most young people (the majority and rising), don't read the Daily Mail or listen to Radio 4. They get their news from Twitter and Facebook links and afar from it being "fake news" there can be found some "real news" that is never shown on our TV stations.

Listen to her rant at Tony Blair here. 




Katie is one of those Marmite figures either you love her for speaking her mind over Migrants, Muslims, Drunkenness and the rest of British problems or you hate her for her crass attitude over people who have just died.

"Oh more sympathy for the refugees" she would say if washed up dead bodies came to the shore of Greece.

What do you think of her rant, agree or disagree and should she get Donald Trump on her show when he's here?

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Thursday, 23 June 2016

Before you vote today please read this article

Before you vote today please read this article


For the first time in my life I, like many of you, are going to be asked what is probably the most important question ever, one that could affect the country and all our lives for decades to come.

Whether we should stay or remain in the EU.

Some people like to boil it down to a simple question of little Englanders versus educated metropolitan elites. However everyone's perspective and experiences of living within the EU differs and one cannot gloss over certain facts and issues with promises and maybes. Whatever way vote it is a leap into the dark.

If we vote to leave there could be economic consequences and if we vote to stay there could be even more issues. Mostly related to living in an already overcrowded island and definitley as part of an undemocratic club that wishes to unite even further, pushing ever more towards a United States of Europe (source: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/valeacutery-giscard-destaing-the-eu-treaty-is-the-same-as-the-constitution-398286.html)

I didn't get a chance to vote to join the EEC and many people who did have now decades later changed their minds. Why? Because we are no longer just in the European Economic Community we are in the European Union.

The change of name should tell you a lot as the EU is a very different beast to the EEC and even the remain campaigners admit there are many problems with a democratic deficit, migration, and pressures on our services and housing due to our membership.

The problem is that the EU needs to integrate even further than the current undemocratic bureaucracy because of the one part of the EU we don't belong to, the EURO. 

Without a proper fiscal and political union the EURO is bound to fail. Nations like Greece, Spain and Italy have seen what happens when they cannot reduce or increase their own interest rates or de-value their currencies due to being locked into the EURO. It causes job losses, mass migration of their youth and austerity measures forced upon them.

Luckily, despite all the main economists, bankers, IMF, the World Bank and most of the same people who say we must remain in the EU now, we decided to stay out of the EURO. That helped our economy and we had one of the longest economic booms since the World War. We actually finally managed to pay off our debts to the USA for World War I and World War II!

If you can remember the 80's and 90's then you will remember interest rates of 12-15%+ which made borrowing expensive but it also meant you could actually get proper interest on your savings in the bank.

This was also a time where anyone in society could sign up to their local council to be put on the housing list and accumulate points the longer they were on it. There was none of this current shortage of council or housing association stock. A situation where you are turned away unless homeless or seriously ill, and sometimes not even then. All due to the lack of housing association stock which has been used up a long time ago and not replaced by the government.

Also during this time when Maggie Thatcher was exporting our manufacturing jobs offshore, closing the mines and turning the UK into a service economy whilst privatising anything she could,we joined something called the ERM.

This was the European Exchange Rate Mechanism where European countries pledged to keep their currencies in check with each other. I quote from the fount of all knowledge Wikipedia.

We joined the ERM in October 1990, effectively guaranteeing that the British Government would follow an economic and monetary policy that would prevent the exchange rate between the pound and other member currencies from fluctuating by more than 6%.

On the 8th of October 1990, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher entered the pound into the ERM mechanism at DM 2.95 to the pound. Hence, if the exchange rate ever neared the bottom of its permitted range, DM 2.773, the government would be obliged to intervene. With UK inflation at three times the rate of Germany's, interest rates at 15% and the "Lawson Boom" about to bust, the conditions for joining the ERM were not favourable at that time.

The signs were not good and what happened? Speculators such as George Soros bet against the pound and we couldn't manage to keep within the range set. This caused Black Wednesday where over £3 billion was lost and Soros made over a billion by shorting the pound.

We were forced out of the ERM and we devalued our currency.

At the time it was all doom and gloom but by actually de-linking our currency from the Germans we actually managed to start exporting goods and a few years later our economic recovery started.

What does all this have to do with the EU you may be asking?

Well it shows you that without a proper federal Europe, which many politicians and EU commissioners have called for over the years in public, the EURO will fail. 

When countries cannot control their own currency and interest rates due to the rules of a giant trading block in which certain countries like Germany do well in manufacturing, and others like Italy and Spain, are mainly tourist based, there are very different fiscal requirements for each country. Therefore if the EURO is to succeed more political and fiscal union must happen. This has been discussed many times and is openly admitted by many on the remain side.

Whatever good you may think the EU has done with the protection of workers rights, environmental concerns and free trade and visa free living, we are not in this central gang of countries that are heading towards a United States of Europe.

Whatever you may think, the Germans, French and others all realise that for the EURO to succeed they must have closer ties and they are pushing for a more Federal Europe.

This poses a problem for us.

Without being members of the EURO we will be forced to adopt EU laws and regulations that are made to help the EURO countries and not us.

We are just one voice at a big table and they want to take away the veto on many issues which would prevent us from stopping certain laws that come in to help the EURO ZONE countries not us.

Now you may not care who makes your laws, or whether you can't get a council flat or even find a place to rent or buy within your price range due to the mass shortage of housing in this country.

However if you do, you have to realise that the mass migration that started after Labour opened the doors to newly admitted Eastern European countries in the early part of the century, has caused pressures that we just cannot cope with.

Migrants help the NHS and they do wonderful jobs, pay tax and all the rest of the things English people do.

However if our governments, Labour and Tory, cannot build enough houses for the people already living in the country then how are they going to manage to build a city the size of Liverpool, every year for the current estimate of 300,000 migrants that enter the country. Whether half of these people come from outside the EU or not is irrelevant. Migration HAS changed the country.

You only have to walk around many towns to wonder if you are in England or Nepal, Poland or Pakistan.

You may like sitting on the bus hearing a myriad of languages being spoke and not understanding any of them.

You may like getting your car washed at the local garage for a tenner by what is really slave labour.

You may like being treated at the hospital by nurses and doctors we have basically stolen from poorer nations. Countries who had spent lots of money training them, just so that they could migrate here and get better wages.

You may like the multicultural society we have become, but you have to admit that we cannot cope with the current population pressures on our services as it is, let alone the estimated 80 million in a decade or so.

If our government cannot manage to build enough houses as it is how do you think they are going to suddenly start building millions that will be required?

It may be great if you are already a home owner as a shortage means your property value rises but if you want to buy or rent the prices are extortionate and you will be waiting a long time.

So when you go to vote tomorrow just think about what it will be like in 15 years time when our already over crowded country has an extra 10 million plus people in it.

We already have one of the highest levels of people living per square mile in the world. How will it be when rent for a single bedroom flat is over a grand a month and you have to wait 8 months or more for a hospital appointment.

I just got told yesterday that my current referral to the pain clinic which was sent off over 3 months ago will be in September, almost another 3 months away. That's 6 months for a serious condition and this is now. Imagine what it will be like in a decades time when our underfunded NHS has to cope with 80 million people. How long will we have to wait for an operation or consultation then?

I have nothing against migrants, nearly every doctor I have seen who has tried helping me has been one.

I have nothing against free trade, it helps our economy.

I have nothing against the Human Rights Act, it protects our rights when our own government wants to remove them.

I have nothing against co-operation with European nations on terrorism, crime and the environment. We need to join together to crack serious crime and stop ISIS gunmen attacking pubs and clubs.

However all this can be AND should be possible without having to be part of the EU.

I do have a problem though, as the left wing Tony Benn famously said, with not being able to vote out the people who make the rules I have to live by.

The EU may only make a small proportion of them but it is one of the most undemocratic bodies in the world. The most democratic part of it, the European Parliament has the least power within the whole giant bureaucratic body.

The EU Commission makes the rules we have to abide by if we want to participate in the free trade zone, even if you are not trading with the EU.

Many small companies don't even do business with European nations yet they still have to abide by the regulations they put out. They may be good for some things such as protecting our paid holidays and health and safety but telling manufactures of goods how they must be made when they are not even trading with the EU is red tape that small companies still have to comply with.

So just think today when you go and vote whether you want to have to wait half a year for a hospital appointment because of the number of people already waiting ahead of you and the failure of our government to properly fund and staff the NHS.

The remain campaign is right when they say this is not the fault of the EU but if our government is not doing it now WHY would they suddenly start if we voted to remain in the EU?

The same goes for the argument of reforming the EU from the inside out.

We have had decades to reform the EU and what has happened......nothing.

So what makes you think we will suddenly have a much louder and more important voice than the other nations if we vote to remain in the EU club?

Remember, we are the 5th biggest economy in the world. 

When people claim that is to do with the EU they are forgetting the 400+ years before World War I when we were the biggest economy in the world. 

We traded with all nations and we did pretty well before we had to borrow billions to fight 2 World Wars.

So whatever you decide to do today just think about the future first.

We may suffer a dip in the pound for a bit and shock horror, as one business man from the remain side said, wage rises! Also if we can reduce the number of people coming into the country and start building some more houses the prices will come down and you will be able to afford to get onto the ladder.

Remortgaging your house on the backs of the homeless isn't fair or right and your only gaining wealth due to the shortage of housing in the country.

Remember it was people remortgaging and living on credit cards that made our post 2008 recession so bad. The boom we had under Gordon Brown was built on debt. That is no way to build a strong economy.

Forget the experts, they are all globalists and elitists who want to see unions of countries all over the world. Less boundaries ensure that they can make more money themselves. They have got it wrong before and there is a good chance they will have got it wrong again.

I hate to have this vote whilst the Tories are in power as I don't trust them one bit and that is the one thing that worries me about leaving. 

However if we do leave David Cameron and Osborne will be gone pretty sharpish and I have no doubt we will have a chance to vote in another government, one that would protect our civil and working rights without the need for the EU.

One last point.

If we were not currently in the EU would you vote to join it? 

If the answer is no then you should be voting to leave. If it's yes then vote remain.

The choice is yours but it will affect our lives whatever choice we all make.

Wednesday, 1 June 2016

The TRUTH about BREXIT from Stefan Molyneux

The TRUTH about BREXIT from Stefan Molyneux

This is a talk about BREXIT from the anarcho-capitalist and secular libertarian Stefan Molyneux about what he sees as the major reason and point of the EU referendum - migration and the right of English people to keep England English.

You may not agree with his view of multi-culturalism but he does show us how the number of migrants from within the EU and outside the EU has been wildly under-estimated by comparing the Governments projections and estimated figures with the number of National Insurance numbers given out.

This reveals a staggering discrepancy between the Governments projections and the actual number of workers who have come here over the last decade.

His video has the following write up:

On June 23rd, 2016, the United Kingdom determines if it will leave the European Union to re-embrace national sovereignty.

While there are economic scare stories, concerns about international trade complications and fears about the United Kingdom becoming isolated on a world stage – make no mistake that upcoming EU Referendum vote is truly now about Immigration and the European Migrant Crisis.

Sources: http://www.fdrurl.com/brexit


Has his views changed your mind on voting?

Do you want to continue to live in an "English" England or don't you mind that we are being lied to by our Government about the current levels of migration.

Is a multi-cultural country ideal in your eyes or can you remember the times before the free movement of people when people could get council houses, doctors surgeries were not lotteries to get seen by a doctor at, jobs were not competitions with large numbers of people all willing to work for less than you, and you could walk down certain London districts and still know you were in England.

Is it racist to think like that or is there nothing wrong with wanting to go back to a time where the country shared a cultural identity?

Don't forget to vote at the top and let us know what you think of his views in the comment section.

You can view more videos from the free thinker, Stefan Molyneux, over on his YouTube channel.

Sunday, 1 May 2016

Andrew Marr Interviews on BREXIT Campaigners

Andrew Marr Interviews on BREXIT Campaigners

This is a collection of Andrew Marr interviews with politicians and leaders of the Better In Together and BREXIT campaigns over the decision to vote to stay or leave the EU. 


David Cameron

I start off with the Prime Minister who obviously wants us to stay in Europe. He claims that there would be turmoil and uncertainty if we left the EU and that his "deal" with Europe has satisfied most people who were worried about economic migrants just looking for benefits.




Nigel Farage

UKIP Leader Nigel Farage gives Andrew Marr his reasons for leaving the EU. These include David Cameron's weak "deal", that merely limits benefits and has some elements within it that can be struck down by the European court without our say so.

The issue is NOT migrant benefits and NET migration running at 330,000 people a year when we were promised that this would be reduced to tens of thousands a year. I

Instead it is the fact we would be able to see who were making our laws, vote them out if we didn't like them and run our own lives and spend our own money without meddling from Brussel.s

Also giving back our sovereignty, he wants an Australian style points system that doesn't discriminate on locality so that we can give people from the Commonwealth higher priority if they have the skills over unskilled migrants that have waited in Europe enough time to get an EU passport so that they can enter the UK.


Boris Johnson

The London Mayor, Boris Johnson, believes that we can keep our free trade deals with the EU without the ever evolving movement towards a centralised federal state without us paying for it. It will also allow us to make our own trade deals with countries like China and India where the problems of the EU and Euro would not even on the table. Huge debt, deficit, bailouts and Greek islands having to be sold off to pay back German banks would not be an issue as they currently are during EU trade discussions

We are a big enough country to do our own deals, Iceland can, so why can't we. Our relationship with the EU and US would remain friendly and cordial, based on trade and shared security concerns. However we would not have laws enforced on us from Brussels and we would be able to do free trade deals looking after the interest of British industries with other countries and not hand this important matter over to EU bureaucrats.



What do you think about these interviews. 

Who do you find the most convincing over the BREXIT debate?

Monday, 25 April 2016

Some Points To Think About - BREXIT

Some Points To Think About - BREXIT

As you consider whether to vote yes to leaving the EU or no and staying within it have you thought about all the consequences?

Here are a few points to consider which people bring up all the time when debating BREXIT.
  • The economic benefits or pitfalls of leaving. How much will it hurt your wallet or will you actually have more money if we leave the EU?
  • The democratic decision making that lets laws that affect us come from the EU. The most democratic part of the EU, the EU parliament which we vote our MEP's to, is the least powerful part of the EU. Major decisions are made in the Council of Ministers or the EU Commission.
  • What really are the pro's and cons of being able to control our own borders. Maybe we will stop some migrants that shouldn't be allowed in the country but will France just wave them onto the Eurostar if we leave?
  • Would still have to pay the EU money to be part of the free market as Norway and Switzerland do. This is a major claim of the BREXIT campaigners that we just want a free market and none of the EU super state excess. However there maybe a cost to this and the EU countries may decide we would have to pay to access this market. Do we really have enough countries outside the block to sell our goods to. Can we really make reciprocal arrangements with hundreds of countries or is the benefit of having a single trading block that we deal with more important.
  • What will happen to ex pats living abroad in Spain and other EU countries. Will they have to go and get Visa's and re-apply for citizenship? If we kick out people that shouldn't be here will other countries respond in kind.
  • Would an Australian points style system benefit us or would you miss your cheap £10 car wash and valet at the local garage by the Polish workers running around like bee's for a pittance. Would they be able to get into the county if we had a points style system?
  • What about NHS workers, cleaners and manual workers that we all depend on. Will they be able to stay in the UK?
  • Are benefits really the biggest issue? We spent a trillion pounds in the last decade on wars in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. That money could easily pay for the hole in the pension pot and any benefits we desire. Remember it wasn't the poorest people who caused the economic collapse it was the Bankers. How our taxes are spent should be up for debate and the EU plays a very small part in that when you look at the big picture.
  • If we leave the EU we will still be handing over our banking transaction details (SWIFT) to the USA as we currently do through the EU. GCHQ is the NSA's foothold in Europe, would we lose out on invaluable security information or would the flow of data to and from the USA remain the same?
  • Can we honestly believe a Tory Bill of Rights to replace the Human Rights Act (which the Tories created after World War II) would be worth the paper it was written on. They promised us a rollback of Labour police state policies when they were in coalition with the Lib Dem's who had proposed their own Freedom Bill. However when the combined bill came out it was watered down so much the only important part was the stopping of private car parks to clamp your cars. Compare the original Lib Dem's bill to what we got. Would a Bill of Rights be a new version of the American Bill or a watered down version that gives parliament and corporations more power over us?
These are just a few points to consider. 

Please add your own in the comment box.