BREXIT - MPS to get a vote

BREXIT - MPS to get a vote

38 Degrees

This is from 38 degrees who wanted to stay in the EU despite the country voting to leave.

From 38 Degrees

It’s official. Our MPs are getting a vote on BREXIT. Their decision will define our country for generations to come. It’ll change the lives of all of us living here.

Every day, MPs argue about what kind of BREXIT would be best for British people. But so far, we - the actual people - have been completely left out of the discussion.

This is our chance to change that, and it starts today. There are millions of us across the length and breadth of this country. If we work together, we can mount a massive campaign to make sure that before our MPs vote, they listen - really listen - to what we want from BREXIT.

With each step of BREXIT, we can make sure MPs are feeling the heat from us. We can drown out the lobbyists, the big business interests, the political insiders - and make sure parliament hears our demand for a BREXIT that works for the many, not the few.

But we’ll be taking on giants. It’ll be a long, hard slog. And it won’t come cheap.

Years from now, our history books will have a chapter dedicated to 2017 and BREXIT.

Nigel Farage knows it. The tabloids know it. The MPs campaigning to ignore the result of the referendum know it. Big business lobbyists know it too. That’s why they’re all working night and day to push their different BREXIT agendas. They’d much rather people like you and me kept quiet.

Days like today are no time to sit back and see what happens. If you chip in today, here’s how we can work together to make sure our voices are heard during the BREXIT negotiations

We can train and organise thousands of 38 Degrees members to meet our MPs and take our crowd sourced plan for BREXIT straight into the heart of government.

We can hire a crack team of analysts and investigators to run through the government’s plans for BREXIT with a fine-tooth comb - and expose the plans that put us or the issues we care about at risk.

We can scale up the 38 Degrees staff team dedicated to BREXIT, to make sure our people-powered plan is all over the media, in parliament and everywhere Theresa May turns.

We can pay for billboards, leaflets, Facebook ads and events in parliament to make sure MPs can’t miss our demands about what we want from BREXIT.

Today, we have a choice: sit back and watch the BREXIT deal happen without us. Or stand up for what we believe in, and do what we can to get the best deal possible. Robert - will you do your bit and chip in?

Chip in as much as you can afford to help the cause > https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/can-you-chip-in


On our own, BREXIT can feel too big to take on. But that’s the magic of 38 Degrees. When we take action together, we’re more than a match for any politician.

Just look what we did when we were faced with TTIP, the biggest corporate takeover attempt in our lifetime. Thousands upon thousands of us joined together and we brought that dangerous deal to its knees.

We need to harness that same energy and passion now to get the BREXIT deal we need and deserve.

Thanks for all you do,

David and the 38 Degrees team

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Please if you have not voted yet whether you think it was the right or wrong decision to leave the EU please vote above in the poll located in the header.

Donald Trump offers the UK a fast and fair trade deal

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With all the scare stories of BREXIT causing Britain's demise, remember BREXIT could be a good thing, just like pulling out of the ERM was. We devalued, exported goods, our GDP grew and finally politicians from both Labour and the Tories could see there was little point in joining the Euro.

Trump loves the fact we voted OUT for BREXIT and he is ready to give us a great trade deal ASAP. Wouldn't that shove two fingers up Merkel for her to see us getting business deals with the USA plus the Commonwealth.

Deals with Australia, India, Canada and South Africa some of the most biggest emerging markets in the world plus all the other countries in the commonwealth are going to be needed and sorted fast and they are all lining up to get in the queue.

The country clearly voted to leave despite their being split down the middle between the cities and towns who benefit from the foreign labour and those who have seen their factories off shored, no job opportunities and bosses undercutting their wages by hiring Romanians and Poles to do the work for half the price.

There is no denying the voters who wanted to leave won the popular vote, 17,410,742 (to leave) v 16,141,242 (to remain), that's right down the middle at 51.% v 48.1%.

Yes the country is divided but apart from some dips in shares that then rose again - I bet a few bankers made a mint on that curve in our price - we have yet to see Armageddon yet in the UK.

So far BREXIT, seems like the first year of WWII, when we were at war but no fighting had began between British and German troops.

Obviously we haven't declared article 50 but Europeans are not stupid about the fact we are their biggest trading partner and putting extreme import tariffs on our goods into the EU will just lead to a trade war where we lower corporation tax to encourage companies to base themselves here and other policies that I am sure we have to use.

What do you think of BREXIT so far, apart from the loss of value in your wallet when shopping what have you noticed apart from less Polish car washers at garages?

Remember there is no need to spend 6+ years on a trade deal between the EU and Canada and the reason is that the EU is made up of northern industrial nations like Germany and southern tourist countries like Greece and Spain. Both areas want different things and trying to please all 20+ members to the same thing just isn't going to happen.

However the UK by itself can negotiate on it's own terms and not worry about French subsidies for farmers and German car makers when they make their deals.

They can undercut tariffs and other taxes and make it much more profitable to come and set up shop in the UK as the establishment papers scare us all saying everyone is moving offshore.

In my eyes, it's best to initiate article 50 ASAP so we can leave the EU free market and have a world wide market with all the various nations already scrambling to do deals with us without worrying about the EU.

So will the pound crush so low it will be worth squat or will it help our export industry to boom and encourage foreign companies to come and set up shop here?

Who knows but have a vote at the top of the page if you haven't so far.

Hillary Benn on why we should vote to remain in the EU

Hillary Benn on why we should vote to remain in the EU

The Labour MP, Hilary Benn, gives an interview on his support for staying in EU, totally against his fathers opinions which you can view here by clicking this link for an interview with Tony Benn.

The video calls it a car crash interview due to his stumbling across topics such as:

1. The UK cannot stop EU immigrants while in EU. 
2. Our housing problem. 
3. Labour's support for TTIP which will allow American corporations to buy up our remaining national industries and even sue us if we introduce laws which will cost them profits.

Do you think this is a car crash interview?

Does the thought of US global corporations buying up the UK and suing us for costing them profits scare you?

If it does would being inside the EU with a threat of the French vetoing the whole TTIP treaty which has been negotiated on an EU level make you feel safer than being at the mercy of Blairites and Tories who would undoubtedly sign us up for TTIP as soon as they can if we left?

Lord Owen spells out his reasons for leaving the EU

Lord Owen spells out his reasons for leaving the EU

This interview is with Lord Owen and he goes over some of the points raised so far in the EU debate pointing out where he thinks the lies and propaganda has gone too far


Has Lord Owen got a point?

At least this dispels any myths about little Englanders being the only people interested in leaving the EU. People from the left, middle and right of politics all have opinions either way.

Personally I am split both ways and here is my own pros and con list.

Reasons To Stay

1. Civil, Workers and Human Rights. 

The Tory government has constantly threatened to rip up Human Rights Act, a piece of legislation they helped create after WWII. I have no faith that a Tory written Bill of Rights would give us anything worth mentioning. It would be the Lib Dem's Freedom Bill all over again. Due to the current Tory government I cannot be sure that if we left the EU they wouldn't rip up all the benefits the EU has brought us over the years such as limits on working hours, minimum number of paid holidays, health and safety laws and the Human Rights act. So many other civil liberty related laws have been repealed or changed by Blair and the Tories before and after that we have lost so much when it comes to freedoms and civil rights that the EU is at least a backstop to prevent total police state UK due to the threat of terrorism.

2. Being able to travel and live around Europe Visa free. 

I personally reckon things have changed a lot since I moved to Spain to live some time back. Being able to go to the local hospital or doctors and not have to pay due to the EU form I had was great. Even if I couldn't speak much Spanish my letter from the doctor about medications I was on was handy to point at during a consultation.

I have been stitched up in Ibiza and Spain for free and although this was years ago I did hear on BBC Question Time the other night from an ex UK soldier who had planned on retiring in Spain but was forced back due to Spanish doctors telling him they couldn't afford to look after him (due to him being from the UK). How true this is I have no idea but we allow free use of the NHS to anyone who turns up at A&E whether they are from the EU or Africa. Being able to travel when you are younger is an attractive prospect and if anything made it harder to do that I guess a lot of people would be pretty annoyed. Of course there is no need for VISA's, we never used to have one to go to the USA but that doesn't mean any re-negotiations with the EU after BREXIT would involve VISA's to visit EU countries.

3. The TTIP. 

I know the Tories have probably bent over backwards to allow US global corporations access to the NHS and other state industries so they can milk them for profit. Therefore I have no faith that leaving the EU would stop us becoming a member of this new threatening trade agreement that will allow companies to sue our government if we introduce laws that cost them money. The French are threatening to veto TTIP at EU level and if we remain in the EU then they could be our only saviour against TTIP.

Do you honestly think the Tories won't try to sign us up for TTIP if we leave the EU?

Reasons To Leave

1. Basic democracy. 

Not being able to create our own laws and elect and fire the people who do is a basic tenet of a free society. We have a proud history of giving the world rule of law from the Magna Carta to the UK philosophers who helped inspire the US revolution, from Thomas Paine, The rights of man and the social contract between citizen and state. 

We also drew up the Convention of Human Rights after WWII to show the newly free countries of Eastern Europe how a civilised country acted. The most democratic part of the EU, the EU parliament that we all get a chance to elect UKIP MEP's to every so often is also the weakest part of the whole decision making process. The EU commission full of failed politicians like Neil Kinnock make (or convert policy documents) into law and the Council of Ministers is just one big horse trade as compromises are made over any new legislation. It is our right to govern ourselves and for anyone to say we can reform the EU to make it more democratic only from staying inside it, I say, well how come we haven't managed to do this in the time we have been members so far?

2. Migration. 

Not being able to choose who to allow in to our country and being prevented from allowing commonwealth countries access because EU migrants have filled up all the places. I live somewhere where migration has totally changed the face of the town. I do not underestimate that migration helps keep our services like the NHS going but many of the nurses and doctors are from the Far East or Africa not the EU. Yes it's nice being able to get your car washed and valeted at the local garage by 10 Romanians for a tenner but how many cars do they wash a day for the pittance they are paid. I know from seeing it that 4+ Polish men have shared a single room in a shared house as it was all they could afford. Is it fair to allow the exploitation of their willingness to work for low wages, and the pressure it puts on other peoples wages to be kept low?

3. Federalism. 

The EU project has traces going all the way back to German banks in the 30's wanting a free market to allow them to easily invest in other countries industries. The German and French politicians have never been shy of admitting the EU is a project moving constantly towards a closer more integrated federal Europe. As we are not in the Euro and it seems that the only way that currency will work is with a proper fiscal and federal union we are not going to have much say considering we are outside this Euro club. Why not allow them to get on with closer integration if they so wish and allow us to remain a free nation state. Anyone who denies the underlying reasons for the EU, to prevent more war, and create a single European nation, an idea that goes back to the times of Rome and Napoleon is deluded.

Reasons To Ignore

Any talk of causing World War III, or massive unemployment or recession due to us leaving the EU should be ignored. 

We are the 5th biggest economy on the planet and whilst some may claim the EU may have had something to do with this they forget that before the massive debts we incurred fighting two World Wars we were the biggest economic power on earth. 

We have traded internationally for hundreds of years, we have always been a nation of shopkeepers, creators, inventors and entrepreneurs. For anyone to say we couldn't create trade deals with countries when the EU has attempted and failed to do deals with many other countries or taken 5+ years to do something that a few months should be enough for is just folly.

There may have been no war in Europe (apart from Bosnia and Serbia) since 1945, but then NATO has had more to do with our protection than any EU policy. Having 28 differing opinions is not going to be good for any kind of quick decisive action when it comes to dealing with emergencies as the war in Bosnia showed.

Therefore talk from both sides about anything that cannot possibly be known at this point in time should be ignored. The vote should be done on points of principle not maybes and hypotheticals.

What are the key points you are thinking about when it comes to voting time?

EU referendum debate between Anna Soubry and Nigel Farage

EU referendum debate between Anna Soubry and Nigel Farage

This is Channel 4 debate between Tory Anna Soubry and UKIP leader Nigel Farage over David Cameron's recent speech about staying in the EU.

They have now given us a referendum and now David Cameron seems a bit scared that we might make the "wrong" decision.

Does this mean wrong for the British public or wrong as in bad for big business, wrong for Tory cronies, wrong for the USA and wrong for the push for TTIP and the overrule of our own laws by US corporations.

John Snow brings up an important point that the "deal" David Cameron brought back from the EU was really a washout and not worth the paper it was written on. Nigel Farage says its not legally enforceable and could be stripped down by the EU court of justice.

The point is - is that true? How do we know, one side says yes, the others say no.

How can the public decide?

All we can do is keep listening to the debates I put on this site and make up your own mind.


What do you think of David Cameron's deal from the EU?

Is it deliverable and enforceable or will it be stripped down by the EU court of justice?

Make you sure you vote at the top of the page whether you want to stay or leave the EU.

Nigel Farage attacks Lame Duck President for sticking his nose into the BREXIT debate

Nigel Farage attacks Lame Duck President for sticking his nose into the BREXIT debate

This is Nigel Farage on Sky News attacking President Obama for sticking his nose into the BREXIT debate. 

He thinks the terminology used by President Obama e.g "back of the queue", signifies that he was parroting a UK line and that the idea that it would take 10 years to make a UK trade deal if we leave is just preposterous.

He also goes into the TTIP deal and why Obama is so keen on the UK staying in the EU and joining the TTIP deal which will allow giant US corporations to buy up the NHS and other UK public services.


What I want to know is why can't the Tory leader, David Cameron, debate leading BREXIT campaigners?

If he doesn't want Blue on Blue attacks, there are enough UKIP, Independents and Labour people to debate instead.

Why isn't David Cameron debating the BREXIT campaign. Surely his agreement that he managed to agree with EU leaders was supposed to prevent us from wanting to vote leave.

Therefore why haven't we heard hardly anything about it since he came back from the EU?

Why Staying In The EU Could Protect Us From US Corporations

Why Staying In The EU Could Protect Us From US Corporations

If you haven't heard of the major trade deal that has been negotiated in secret over the past few years between the US and Europe called the TTIP then you should read this article in the Telegraph.

The deal could be the most important piece of global legislation ever passed affecting all aspects of our lives and giving ultimate control over them to global corporations.



The Telegraph article discusses "Six reasons why the TTIP deal should scare you" 

The 6 reasons in short are:

1. Public services.

The NHS is in the firing line due to the TTIP deal. One of the main aims of TTIP is to open up Europe’s public health, education and water services to US companies. This could essentially mean the privatisation of the NHS.

2. Food Safety.

TTIP’s ‘regulatory convergence’ agenda will seek to bring EU standards on food safety and the environment closer to those of the US. But US regulations are much less strict, with 70% of all processed foods sold in US supermarkets now containing genetically modified ingredients. By contrast, the EU allows virtually no GM foods. The US also has far laxer restrictions on the use of pesticides. It also uses growth hormones in its beef which are restricted in Europe due to links to cancer. US farmers have tried to have these restrictions lifted repeatedly in the past through the World Trade Organisation and it is likely that they will use TTIP to do so again.

3. Banking regulations.

The UK, under the influence of the all-powerful City of London, is thought to be seeking a loosening of US banking regulations. America’s financial rules are tougher than ours. They were put into place after the financial crisis to directly curb the powers of bankers and avoid a similar crisis happening again. TTIP, it is feared, will remove those restrictions, effectively handing all those powers back to the bankers.

4. Privacy.

An easing of data privacy laws, tracking on the Internet and a restriction of public access to pharmaceutical companies’ clinical trials are also thought to be on the cards. We already through out the ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) after a massive majority in the European Parliament voted in 2012 after a huge public backlash, against this attack on individual privacy in which (ISP's) Internet Service Providers would be required to monitor people’s online activity. The TTIP would bring these plans to monitor us back into action.

5. Employment and Jobs

The EU has admitted that the TTIP will probably cause unemployment as jobs switch to the USA where labour standards and trade union rights are lower. It has even advised EU members to draw on European support funds to compensate for the expected unemployment.

6. Democracy.

TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits. In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments.



Luckily for us, our saviour might be our cross channel EU partner, France.

Due to the upcoming French Presidential elections and the huge outcry over the TTIP deal, whose details were only uncovered due to hacktivists like Wikipedia,

France is considering blocking the deal and if they do it means the EU won't be able to adopt it as it requires all members to sign up to it for it to pass.

France's main issues are that new powers granted to US companies could alter our existing laws over employment, farmers, workers rights and soveingty over the legal system. When US corporations can sue a government because their laws are "too restrictive" on their business then we are in dangerous territory.

As an article in the Independent states:

President Hollande has said he will "never accept" the deal in its current guise because of the rules it enforces on France and the rest of Europe - particularly in relation to farming and culture – claiming they are too friendly to US business.

“We will never accept questioning essential principles for our agriculture, our culture and for the reciprocity of access to public [procurement] markets,” Hollande is reported as saying at a meeting of left-wing politicians in Paris. “At this stage [of the talks] France says ‘No.'”

Personally I hope France does block it and if we left Europe there would be no doubt in my mind a Tory or Blairite government would sign the UK up to the TTIP on its own outside the EU.

This could be a major reason to vote to stay IN the EU.

If our own government won't protect us from US corporations then at least if we are part of the EU some more socially conscious nations like France could.

Read up on the TTIP here:

What is the TTIP?

Why France may block the TTIP

Will the TTIP deal affect your vote in the EU referendum?

Can  you trust the UK government to protect our NHS, health and safety, privacy and workers rights if they were outside the EU or would they sign up to the TTIP ASAP?

Let me know your thoughts.