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Tuesday 31 May 2016

BBC Video on why we should stay in the EU

BBC Video on why we should stay in the EU


This is a BBC video on why we should stay in the EU.

Their description of the video is:

David Cameron has travelled to Brussels hoping to persuade other European leaders to back his plan for reforming Britain's relationship with the other 27 EU countries. It comes ahead of a referendum in which voters in Britain will decide to stay or leave the EU. That vote is expected to happen some time next year.
So what are the benefits of staying or leaving? UKIP's Suzanne Evans and Labour MP Alan Johnson have set out their opposing views for the Victoria Derbyshire programme. Mr Johnson, is fronting Labour's campaign to stay in the EU.



With the EU referendum only weeks away the BBC should be an impartial player in the debate but as the state news outlet for the country many people have complained that they are repeating the Conservative Remain message in their documentaries and news pieces.

What do you think are the BBC being an impartial player in this referendum or are they just the Conservative mouth piece for the Remain campaign?

Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England is questioned over his pro EU bias

Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England is questioned over his pro EU bias


Jacob Rees-Mogg MP has already publicly slammed Mark Carney (Governor, Bank of England) over his politically-motivated interference into the BREXIT debate (UK ‘EU membership’ Referendum).

In this video he attacks the pro EU and seemingly pro Conservative (remain) message that he gave. This occurred during Mark's appearance in front of the Treasury Committee on the 24/05/2016.


What do you think about the Bank of England making such pro-EU statements?

Should they be impartial, are they just repeating what the Conservative government has told them to say or are they making an honest independent assessment of our relationship with the EU if we leave?

British Citizens Living in the EU

British Citizens Living in the EU


This infographic shows the number of British citizens who are currently residing in other EU countries.

Will they be asked to leave or apply for VISA's if we leave the EU or will they be able to stay, collect free health care as they can now as well as benefits such as pensions?

British Citizens living abroad

What do you think, do you know people living abroad in the EU at the moment and what do they think about the EU vote?

Who Really Rules Us?

Who Really Rules Us?


This is a BBC (UK State run TV channel), documentary on the EU by Jeremy Paxman. In it he looks at who really runs the EU and makes our laws.

The blurb on the video says:

As the EU referendum debate approaches its climax, Jeremy Paxman takes viewers on a journey to the heart of Europe, meeting the movers, shakers and anonymous faces who run the EU. His central question is simple - has the UK given the power to rule it to Europe, and if so, does it matter? Meeting crucial figures like Michael Gove and Nick Clegg, he hears arguments on both sides, whilst also trying to understand just how the incredibly complex organisation operates. On his journey he struggles through the Parliamentarian (an EU museum that tries to explain the place), tries on a replica of Margaret Thatcher's famous EU jumper and samples the EU-regulated wares of the Portobello Road.


Do you think anything from the BBC can be believed or do you see it as a state mouthpiece that is always going to be pro-EU whilst the government of the day wants us to remain in the EU?

Friday 27 May 2016

Lord Owen spells out his reasons for leaving the EU

Lord Owen spells out his reasons for leaving the EU


This interview is with Lord Owen and he goes over some of the points raised so far in the EU debate pointing out where he thinks the lies and propaganda has gone too far


Has Lord Owen got a point?

At least this dispels any myths about little Englanders being the only people interested in leaving the EU. People from the left, middle and right of politics all have opinions either way.

Personally I am split both ways and here is my own pros and con list.

Reasons To Stay


1. Civil, Workers and Human Rights. 

The Tory government has constantly threatened to rip up Human Rights Act, a piece of legislation they helped create after WWII. I have no faith that a Tory written Bill of Rights would give us anything worth mentioning. It would be the Lib Dem's Freedom Bill all over again. Due to the current Tory government I cannot be sure that if we left the EU they wouldn't rip up all the benefits the EU has brought us over the years such as limits on working hours, minimum number of paid holidays, health and safety laws and the Human Rights act. So many other civil liberty related laws have been repealed or changed by Blair and the Tories before and after that we have lost so much when it comes to freedoms and civil rights that the EU is at least a backstop to prevent total police state UK due to the threat of terrorism.

2. Being able to travel and live around Europe Visa free. 

I personally reckon things have changed a lot since I moved to Spain to live some time back. Being able to go to the local hospital or doctors and not have to pay due to the EU form I had was great. Even if I couldn't speak much Spanish my letter from the doctor about medications I was on was handy to point at during a consultation.

I have been stitched up in Ibiza and Spain for free and although this was years ago I did hear on BBC Question Time the other night from an ex UK soldier who had planned on retiring in Spain but was forced back due to Spanish doctors telling him they couldn't afford to look after him (due to him being from the UK). How true this is I have no idea but we allow free use of the NHS to anyone who turns up at A&E whether they are from the EU or Africa. Being able to travel when you are younger is an attractive prospect and if anything made it harder to do that I guess a lot of people would be pretty annoyed. Of course there is no need for VISA's, we never used to have one to go to the USA but that doesn't mean any re-negotiations with the EU after BREXIT would involve VISA's to visit EU countries.

3. The TTIP. 

I know the Tories have probably bent over backwards to allow US global corporations access to the NHS and other state industries so they can milk them for profit. Therefore I have no faith that leaving the EU would stop us becoming a member of this new threatening trade agreement that will allow companies to sue our government if we introduce laws that cost them money. The French are threatening to veto TTIP at EU level and if we remain in the EU then they could be our only saviour against TTIP.

Do you honestly think the Tories won't try to sign us up for TTIP if we leave the EU?

Reasons To Leave

1. Basic democracy. 

Not being able to create our own laws and elect and fire the people who do is a basic tenet of a free society. We have a proud history of giving the world rule of law from the Magna Carta to the UK philosophers who helped inspire the US revolution, from Thomas Paine, The rights of man and the social contract between citizen and state

We also drew up the Convention of Human Rights after WWII to show the newly free countries of Eastern Europe how a civilised country acted. The most democratic part of the EU, the EU parliament that we all get a chance to elect UKIP MEP's to every so often is also the weakest part of the whole decision making process. The EU commission full of failed politicians like Neil Kinnock make (or convert policy documents) into law and the Council of Ministers is just one big horse trade as compromises are made over any new legislation. It is our right to govern ourselves and for anyone to say we can reform the EU to make it more democratic only from staying inside it, I say, well how come we haven't managed to do this in the time we have been members so far?

2. Migration. 

Not being able to choose who to allow in to our country and being prevented from allowing commonwealth countries access because EU migrants have filled up all the places. I live somewhere where migration has totally changed the face of the town. I do not underestimate that migration helps keep our services like the NHS going but many of the nurses and doctors are from the Far East or Africa not the EU. Yes it's nice being able to get your car washed and valeted at the local garage by 10 Romanians for a tenner but how many cars do they wash a day for the pittance they are paid. I know from seeing it that 4+ Polish men have shared a single room in a shared house as it was all they could afford. Is it fair to allow the exploitation of their willingness to work for low wages, and the pressure it puts on other peoples wages to be kept low?

3. Federalism. 

The EU project has traces going all the way back to German banks in the 30's wanting a free market to allow them to easily invest in other countries industries. The German and French politicians have never been shy of admitting the EU is a project moving constantly towards a closer more integrated federal Europe. As we are not in the Euro and it seems that the only way that currency will work is with a proper fiscal and federal union we are not going to have much say considering we are outside this Euro club. Why not allow them to get on with closer integration if they so wish and allow us to remain a free nation state. Anyone who denies the underlying reasons for the EU, to prevent more war, and create a single European nation, an idea that goes back to the times of Rome and Napoleon is deluded.

Reasons To Ignore

Any talk of causing World War III, or massive unemployment or recession due to us leaving the EU should be ignored. 

We are the 5th biggest economy on the planet and whilst some may claim the EU may have had something to do with this they forget that before the massive debts we incurred fighting two World Wars we were the biggest economic power on earth. 

We have traded internationally for hundreds of years, we have always been a nation of shopkeepers, creators, inventors and entrepreneurs. For anyone to say we couldn't create trade deals with countries when the EU has attempted and failed to do deals with many other countries or taken 5+ years to do something that a few months should be enough for is just folly.

There may have been no war in Europe (apart from Bosnia and Serbia) since 1945, but then NATO has had more to do with our protection than any EU policy. Having 28 differing opinions is not going to be good for any kind of quick decisive action when it comes to dealing with emergencies as the war in Bosnia showed.

Therefore talk from both sides about anything that cannot possibly be known at this point in time should be ignored. The vote should be done on points of principle not maybes and hypotheticals.

What are the key points you are thinking about when it comes to voting time?

Ian Duncan Smith on the reason to leave the EU

Ian Duncan Smith on the reason to leave the EU


Called on YouTube, "THE MOST CLEAR, HONEST AND SINCERE INTERVIEW TO HELP YOU DECIDE TO LEAVE OR REMAIN IN THE EU", this interview is with the ex Tory leader about his reasons to leave the EU.


Was this the most clear and honest interview about the EU and has it helped you decide on your vote?

Tuesday 24 May 2016

BREXIT THE MOVIE

BREXIT The Movie


If you are still undecided about whether to vote to leave or stay in the EU then this movie might give you some new thinking points.

Remember most content out there is biased to those who want to leave the EU or stay so you should try to read and watch as much articles, opinion pieces, debates, films and TV shows that oppose or challenge your current view as possible

It is only by stretching your mind and thinking about those points that you have previously shrugged off or thought of as propaganda, that you will come to make your own mind up.

Take in all the points of view possible from the Right Wingers, the Left Wingers (people on both sides want to stay OR leave the EU). UKIP, Britain First, The BNP, Right wing parties from France to Spain to Greece to Itay to the Ukraine, and then all the left wing parties as well.

Only by debating, and sometimes with the most reprehisble people, will real choices get made.

For example I remember this comment by someone on BBC Question Time who responded to someone on the panels back of paper calculations in that by leaving the EU it would save us over £1.5 Trillion and pay off our national debt!

Would we be clever enough to do something as altruistic as move everyone out of debt, re-invest in skills and let people have new chances?

Of course not, not under a Tory or Blairite establishment party anyway. However it is a good little clip to get you started on the main feature - BREXIT The Movie!


BREXIT The Movie

This was filmed a few days ago by Bloomberg who host a debate in London to explore the possible implications of Britain leaving the European Union.



Speakers: Mario Monti, former Italian Prime Minister; Norman Lamont, former U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer; Nigel Lawson, former U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer; Maurice Levy, chief executive officer of Publicis Groupe SA; Carolyn Fairbairn, Director General of the Confederation of British Industry; Jon Moulton, founder and managing partner of Better Capital. Moderator, Francine Lacqua, Bloomberg.

What do you think of the debate has it changed your mind?

If so take the poll at the top of the page and please visit our sponor.

Nigel Farage - Could Turkey Be The Reason You Vote To Leave the EU

Nigel Farage - Could Turkey Be The Reason You Vote To Leave the EU

Nigel Farage is the famous Euro MEP, and leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party. Here he gives one reason that gained applauce around the Parliament.

What is that reason?

Turkey.

We are being blackmailed by this country that is mostly Asian anyway into taking people back but with no guarantees that prevent people crossing the Syrian border again and into Eruope.

With Angela Merkel's "Hand Up", lets take as many Syrian migrants as we can policy that has reduced Germany into a place where western women are afraid to wear short skirts in case they are attacked by refugees such as the police in Cologne who received more than 1,000 complaints from women, including 454 reports of sexual assaults, related to New Year's Eve, 2016.

In fact sexual violence in Germany has skyrocketed since Angela Merkel allowed more than one million mostly male migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East into the country. The crimes are being downplayed by the authorities, apparently to avoid fueling anti-immigration sentiments

Police in Hamburg received complaints from 351 women, including 218 reports of sexual assault that took place on the same evening.

It seems the poilice have a policy of just letting these assaults slide as every Gernman Cop knows he has to meet a particular political expectation. It is better to keep quiet [about migrant crime] because you cannot go wrong." — Rainer Wendt, head of the German police union. 

So let's listen to UKIP leader, Nigel Farge one of a few MEP Tuerkey's voting for Christmas and the loss of their jobs, perks, and huge pension and allowances.

Here he disccusses how Turkey has us over a barrel. They are no real ally of us and Saudi Arabia and Turkey are more alligned with ISIL, the al-Nusra Front (al-Qaeda branch in Syria) and other terrorists who they have been funding by buying huge anounts of oil from stolen Syrian plants.

These are oil transactions that have been proven by the Russians to take stolen oil from Syria to Turkey. It was why they got so upset and shot down a Russian plane almost starting WWIII because the Russians were destroying the huge snake like delivery of oil trucks that make their way from Syria though supposed checkpoints on the Turkish border and into the hands of the Turkish deep state.

So if ecomoics is not your main reasion for leaving or the lack of democracy due to our laws being made overseas then maybe it might be the fact that once Tukey joins the EU and it's 74 million people, then it will only take a real Syrian Refugee a few years to get a passport before being able to move to the UK legally, or they might just purchase some of the many thousands on sale in the black market.

 

Tuesday 17 May 2016

An alternative view on the EU by David Shayler

An alternative view on the EU by David Shayler


You have heard from the politicians, the Euro MPs, reporters and even had propaganda leaflets through your door from both the BREXIT and Better In Together sides of the EU Referendum debate.

Now I am bringing you some alternative views on the question.

So enough of the politicians lets listen to some alternative points of view. If you do like your #altnews, and don't rely purely on state news like the BBC or papers owned by people with their own reasons for wanting you to vote a certain way, then you should know this person.

David Shayler is an ex MI5 spy who was jailed after breaking the official secrets act and passing information about how we funded al-Qaeda liked LIFG terrorists to kill Col. Gaddafi but screwed it up and killed innocent civilians instead.

He was also passing info to the Daily Mail about how the security forces were scared of Labour MPS and spied on Peter Mandelson, Jack Straw and Harriet Harman. Once they had got into power under Blair it became apparent that this was true and that many Labour MP's were under the spotlight of the establishment.

This is why I suppose Blair was brought into the fold to make Labour an "establishment" party. Removing all traces of nationalisation, war mongering and following the USA's lead, and allow privatisation started under Thatcher to continue whilst creating the biggest police state in the western world.

We have the most CCTV cameras, lost our right to be silent under caution without judgement being made in court, lost the right to protest near Parliament as well as many other draconian laws which were brought in by the supposedly left leaning, people's party, Labour (or New Labour - Tory Lite).

Therefore he may have been attacked at the time for what he claimed, but when the British embassy was overrun in the aftermath of the attack on Tripoli by rebel forces, many documents were found that backed up his claims of MI6 collusion with al-Qaeda and even how we allowed certain rebel leaders to be tortured as we stood by and asked questions.

One of the main leaders of the rebels, Abdul Hakim Belhaj, even won the right to sue Jack Straw and the head of the MI6 over his kidnap and rendition due to this evidence coming to light.

Therefore don't knock what you don't know.

Sit back and listen.

You may not agree with some of the things he says but remember he was jailed for telling the truth before. Plus it is always good to get points of view from all sides whether you believe them or not.



View the original article on www.darkpolitricks.com

EU referendum debate between Anna Soubry and Nigel Farage

EU referendum debate between Anna Soubry and Nigel Farage


This is Channel 4 debate between Tory Anna Soubry and UKIP leader Nigel Farage over David Cameron's recent speech about staying in the EU.

They have now given us a referendum and now David Cameron seems a bit scared that we might make the "wrong" decision.

Does this mean wrong for the British public or wrong as in bad for big business, wrong for Tory cronies, wrong for the USA and wrong for the push for TTIP and the overrule of our own laws by US corporations.

John Snow brings up an important point that the "deal" David Cameron brought back from the EU was really a washout and not worth the paper it was written on. Nigel Farage says its not legally enforceable and could be stripped down by the EU court of justice.

The point is - is that true? How do we know, one side says yes, the others say no.

How can the public decide?

All we can do is keep listening to the debates I put on this site and make up your own mind.


What do you think of David Cameron's deal from the EU?

Is it deliverable and enforceable or will it be stripped down by the EU court of justice?

Make you sure you vote at the top of the page whether you want to stay or leave the EU.

Friday 13 May 2016

Nigel Farage calls David Cameron a "Conman"

Nigel Farage calls David Cameron a "Conman"

In a blistering attack on the PM the UKIP leader stuck the boot in as he urged voters to make a stand against Brussels. 

He may have had a few too many beers though!

Days after Mr Cameron continued his Project Fear by suggesting BREXIT could spark World War Three, Mr Farage ramped up the Leave campaign by mocking the PM.

He said: “My message is Dave you’re a conman, you’re a conman."



“You told us two months ago you might consider voting for BREXIT, now you tell us it could cause World War Three.

“If it’s that serious why would you ever take the risk in the first place.

“He is a cheap second-hand car salesman not to be believed and will finish up at the end of this utterly discredited and rightly so.”

The UKIP leader also took aim at Brussels bureaucrats and tore into EU regulations.

He said: “Do you think we should govern our own country, make our own laws, control our own borders and have our own Supreme Court or do you think it better we sub-contract out the running of our nation to a bunch of old men in Brussels we can’t vote for and we can’t remove?

"I know my answer. I want my country back, I want my borders back, I want my passport back, I want my pride and self-respect back.

“Don’t forget there are 5.2 million men and women in this country who run their own companies, act as sole traders, unpaid tax collectors for the Government.

What do you think is our PM a conman over his referendum over BREXIT.

His magic agreement with the EU was supposed to stop us voting to leave but it is so watered down and not worth the paper it is written on no-one believes him anymore.

And here is Nigel Farage on why Big Business love BREXIT....



So how are you going to vote?

Have you voted at the top of the page yet?

Let us know your thoughts.

Tuesday 10 May 2016

Nigel Farage attacks Lame Duck President for sticking his nose into the BREXIT debate

Nigel Farage attacks Lame Duck President for sticking his nose into the BREXIT debate

This is Nigel Farage on Sky News attacking President Obama for sticking his nose into the BREXIT debate. 

He thinks the terminology used by President Obama e.g "back of the queue", signifies that he was parroting a UK line and that the idea that it would take 10 years to make a UK trade deal if we leave is just preposterous.

He also goes into the TTIP deal and why Obama is so keen on the UK staying in the EU and joining the TTIP deal which will allow giant US corporations to buy up the NHS and other UK public services.


What I want to know is why can't the Tory leader, David Cameron, debate leading BREXIT campaigners?

If he doesn't want Blue on Blue attacks, there are enough UKIP, Independents and Labour people to debate instead.

Why isn't David Cameron debating the BREXIT campaign. Surely his agreement that he managed to agree with EU leaders was supposed to prevent us from wanting to vote leave.

Therefore why haven't we heard hardly anything about it since he came back from the EU?

Friday 6 May 2016

Should Britain Leave The EU - Debate

Should Britain Leave The EU - Debate

This is the Spectator debate on whether or not Britain should leave the EU.

The debate is chaired by Andrew Neil and the panellists are split into two groups.

People persuading us for a BREXIT:

  • Dan Hannan
  • Nigel Farage
  • Kate Hoey

And the Better Together group who want us to remain in the EU:

  • Nick Clegg
  • Liz Kendall
  • Chuka Umunna
The question I want to know is where is David Cameron?

Surely as the Prime Minister of the UK and the person who has set up the referendum as well as the person who thought his "new deal" with the EU would prevent us from leaving. Surely he should be centre stage making the argument for us to stay and telling us how his "deal" will change our minds?



What do you think of the debate. Has it changed your point of view on whether to vote to leave the EU or to stay in?

Remember to vote at the top of the page!

Wednesday 4 May 2016

Why Staying In The EU Could Protect Us From US Corporations

Why Staying In The EU Could Protect Us From US Corporations

If you haven't heard of the major trade deal that has been negotiated in secret over the past few years between the US and Europe called the TTIP then you should read this article in the Telegraph.

The deal could be the most important piece of global legislation ever passed affecting all aspects of our lives and giving ultimate control over them to global corporations.

Protests over the TTIP

The Telegraph article discusses "Six reasons why the TTIP deal should scare you" 

The 6 reasons in short are:

1. Public services.

The NHS is in the firing line due to the TTIP deal. One of the main aims of TTIP is to open up Europe’s public health, education and water services to US companies. This could essentially mean the privatisation of the NHS.

2. Food Safety.

TTIP’s ‘regulatory convergence’ agenda will seek to bring EU standards on food safety and the environment closer to those of the US. But US regulations are much less strict, with 70% of all processed foods sold in US supermarkets now containing genetically modified ingredients. By contrast, the EU allows virtually no GM foods. The US also has far laxer restrictions on the use of pesticides. It also uses growth hormones in its beef which are restricted in Europe due to links to cancer. US farmers have tried to have these restrictions lifted repeatedly in the past through the World Trade Organisation and it is likely that they will use TTIP to do so again.


3. Banking regulations.

The UK, under the influence of the all-powerful City of London, is thought to be seeking a loosening of US banking regulations. America’s financial rules are tougher than ours. They were put into place after the financial crisis to directly curb the powers of bankers and avoid a similar crisis happening again. TTIP, it is feared, will remove those restrictions, effectively handing all those powers back to the bankers.

4. Privacy.

An easing of data privacy laws, tracking on the Internet and a restriction of public access to pharmaceutical companies’ clinical trials are also thought to be on the cards. We already through out the ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) after a massive majority in the European Parliament voted in 2012 after a huge public backlash, against this attack on individual privacy in which (ISP's) Internet Service Providers would be required to monitor people’s online activity. The TTIP would bring these plans to monitor us back into action.

5. Employment and Jobs

The EU has admitted that the TTIP will probably cause unemployment as jobs switch to the USA where labour standards and trade union rights are lower. It has even advised EU members to draw on European support funds to compensate for the expected unemployment.

6. Democracy.

TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits. In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments.



Luckily for us, our saviour might be our cross channel EU partner, France.

Due to the upcoming French Presidential elections and the huge outcry over the TTIP deal, whose details were only uncovered due to hacktivists like Wikipedia,

France is considering blocking the deal and if they do it means the EU won't be able to adopt it as it requires all members to sign up to it for it to pass.

France's main issues are that new powers granted to US companies could alter our existing laws over employment, farmers, workers rights and soveingty over the legal system. When US corporations can sue a government because their laws are "too restrictive" on their business then we are in dangerous territory.

As an article in the Independent states:

President Hollande has said he will "never accept" the deal in its current guise because of the rules it enforces on France and the rest of Europe - particularly in relation to farming and culture – claiming they are too friendly to US business.

“We will never accept questioning essential principles for our agriculture, our culture and for the reciprocity of access to public [procurement] markets,” Hollande is reported as saying at a meeting of left-wing politicians in Paris. “At this stage [of the talks] France says ‘No.'”

Personally I hope France does block it and if we left Europe there would be no doubt in my mind a Tory or Blairite government would sign the UK up to the TTIP on its own outside the EU.

This could be a major reason to vote to stay IN the EU.

If our own government won't protect us from US corporations then at least if we are part of the EU some more socially conscious nations like France could.

Read up on the TTIP here:

What is the TTIP?

Why France may block the TTIP

Will the TTIP deal affect your vote in the EU referendum?

Can  you trust the UK government to protect our NHS, health and safety, privacy and workers rights if they were outside the EU or would they sign up to the TTIP ASAP?

Let me know your thoughts.

Monday 2 May 2016

Why We Should Vote To Stay In The EU

Why We Should Vote To Stay In The EU

This is the basics of why we should vote to stay within the EU.

It covers the basics from our joining of the EEC, lower trade tarrifs, economic and travel benefits and the benefits of belonging to a large organisation that can make better trade deals with China and other big nations.

We also get free medical treatment abroad, the Human Rights act that protects our civil liberties and many rights to protect workers.

Watch this video to see why we should stay in the EU.

Why Vote To Leave The EU - The Basics

Why Vote To Leave The EU - The Basics

The basics of why we should leave the EU.

The video explains why we should leave from our joining of the EEC NOT the EU, our lack of power in the EU, our security and NATO membership and our economy.

Sunday 1 May 2016

Andrew Marr Interviews on BREXIT Campaigners

Andrew Marr Interviews on BREXIT Campaigners

This is a collection of Andrew Marr interviews with politicians and leaders of the Better In Together and BREXIT campaigns over the decision to vote to stay or leave the EU. 


David Cameron

I start off with the Prime Minister who obviously wants us to stay in Europe. He claims that there would be turmoil and uncertainty if we left the EU and that his "deal" with Europe has satisfied most people who were worried about economic migrants just looking for benefits.




Nigel Farage

UKIP Leader Nigel Farage gives Andrew Marr his reasons for leaving the EU. These include David Cameron's weak "deal", that merely limits benefits and has some elements within it that can be struck down by the European court without our say so.

The issue is NOT migrant benefits and NET migration running at 330,000 people a year when we were promised that this would be reduced to tens of thousands a year. I

Instead it is the fact we would be able to see who were making our laws, vote them out if we didn't like them and run our own lives and spend our own money without meddling from Brussel.s

Also giving back our sovereignty, he wants an Australian style points system that doesn't discriminate on locality so that we can give people from the Commonwealth higher priority if they have the skills over unskilled migrants that have waited in Europe enough time to get an EU passport so that they can enter the UK.


Boris Johnson

The London Mayor, Boris Johnson, believes that we can keep our free trade deals with the EU without the ever evolving movement towards a centralised federal state without us paying for it. It will also allow us to make our own trade deals with countries like China and India where the problems of the EU and Euro would not even on the table. Huge debt, deficit, bailouts and Greek islands having to be sold off to pay back German banks would not be an issue as they currently are during EU trade discussions

We are a big enough country to do our own deals, Iceland can, so why can't we. Our relationship with the EU and US would remain friendly and cordial, based on trade and shared security concerns. However we would not have laws enforced on us from Brussels and we would be able to do free trade deals looking after the interest of British industries with other countries and not hand this important matter over to EU bureaucrats.



What do you think about these interviews. 

Who do you find the most convincing over the BREXIT debate?

Will you vote to stay in the EU or leave it?

Will you vote to stay in the EU or leave it?

Do you want to stay in the European Union or leave it?

By Dark Politricks

I hope you have taken the poll at the top of the page, if not do so and you can always come back and change your mind later on.

As the debate rages around the UK on whether we should leave or stay in the EU. The question is are people really thinking for themselves or are they just believing all the crap that the daily rags tell them to?

We have owners of multiple papers who live offshore most of the year just to get out of paying their fair share of UK tax, telling us tax payers what to do. Is this really fair? It's just the rich elite who are always going to go from strength to strength as long as no-one stands up to them enforcing their will on the people as they always do.

Will people who vote actually make a real decision or will they be swayed like the US electorate always is to vote for the person with the biggest smile, angriest most bullish comments and plans to "restore America to greatness" as if it had suddenly become a third world country without the biggest economy and military in the world?

So the BREXIT referendum all rests on whether people believe the "deal" Cameron brought back was worth the paper it was written on or not.

To me Cameron's "Deal", is just a tinkering around the edges that prevents migrants from claiming benefits for years, and allows Britain to cap the number of people entering the country. It really doesn't make much of a difference at all.

We will still will be bound by the European Court of Human Rights, pay our monthly millions to be part of the EU, and whilst the Euro zone members make important financial decisions we will now be left out of them and probably still be asked to pay towards any bailouts such as those for Greece and Ireland etc.

I never got to vote to join the EC in the 70's.

That was the Economic Community, a joining together of countries for free trade without tariffs between members and a supposed opening up of the many countries nationalised utilities and businesses.

It was not a vote on whether we should join a European Super State, with its own Defence Force, a 3 tier decision-making system where the most democratic body, the European Parliament, has the least power.

People complain about the number of EU migrants that enter Southern Europe and are then just waved through multiple  counties until they reach Germany or Calais hoping to get to England. However we must remember that about 1.8m Britons live in Europe, with Spain boasting an expat population of just over 1m UK citizens.

Of the Britons living in Europe, 400,000 are claiming a state pension from the UK.

The question is, if free movement is good for us, what will happen when it is shut down. We may be able to control the number of migrants from the EU entering the country but what will happen to the retired wrinkled leather tanned grannies of the Costa Del Sol?

leather tanned grannies
An ex Pat, enjoying the Sun and beach

Will these ex pats all have to go through some sort of immigration test as if they were trying to get green cards in the US?

I cannot even imagine many Brits passing any part of a test that expected them to know the hosts language and culture.

It could be that we manage to make arrangements that doesn't affect Brits with jobs OR money from going out to live in the EU however I am guessing a lot of EU members are really pissed off with us at the moment for getting a "special membership deal".

Whilst Germany and France wanted to keep us in the EU for the risk that it might fall apart, I can well imagine many newer members are thinking, why does the UK always try to get it's own way?

From my perspective it would have been good if Cameron had reached a consensus with other members that would have reformed the EU properly.

You know basic things like make it truly democratic, removed any moves to keep pushing for a super state, restored it back to a trading block that was good for business without all the imported laws and of course stopped all the massive fraud which has prevented a real audit for many years now.

There are lots of things wrong with the EU and the constant push towards a superstate is one of them. One of the original ideas was to try and make a block of states that was an equal balance to the power of the US but instead we have just turned into the USA's cross pond bitch.

So I believe Cameron's almost Chamberlain like "Peace in our time", excitement at having got his deal, is going to bite him in the butt just as Chamberlain found out when the NAZI's ignored his magic bit of paper and rolled across Europe.

This is small fry being pumped with steroids to make it seem like a massive change in our relationship with the EU. In reality it is some small changes around the edges.

If ever someone had made a worthless deal and wanted to sell it to the public as if it was a magic exemption from all the EU's meddling in our lives, like the EU Human Rights Law that protects us from this Police State country over reaching in its step, then this is it.

When I was younger I liked being able to hop on a plane and just go to Spain to live. I had no job but that didn't matter, free movement of people and workers meant we could all go where we wanted when we wanted without border checks, citizenship tests and green cards.

For those who have never lived abroad and have only gone to Ibiza on your holiday or maybe a trip to Paris on Valentines day then you won't really think about the difference between a holiday and actually being able to pick up your bags and literally run off to any part of Europe with no questions asked.

However whilst Spain has always been the old stereotyped destination for our UK retirees it seems over recent year the US, Australia and the rest of the world have overtaken Europe for the primary destination for those with one foot in the grave.

The top 10 destinations for Britons to retire to are now:
  • Channel Islands: 73,030
  • Germany: 96,938
  • France: 172,806
  • Ireland: 253,605
  • South Africa: 305,660
  • New Zealand: 313,850
  • Spain: 381,025
  • Canada: 674,371
  • United States of America: 758,919
  • Australia: 1,277,474
So maybe the modern "cultured" Brit is changing their retirement plans and thinking a bit more further than the Costa Del Crime nowadays.

Spain has always been our number one destination for holidays and retirees. A place where you can enjoy the 40° heat and drink British beer in pubs frequented by famous English gangsters on the run.

So many famous British gangsters have been out to the Costa Del Sol no wonder we call it the Costa Del Crime.

However it seems we are looking wider than Med for our retirement plans - that's if we get any pension money. I doubt I will ever see any from the thousands I have put into the system over my working career. It seems the Tories want us to work until our 80's and the age is constantly being pushed upwards.

There have been rumblings from Tory think tanks for years now from people already on hundreds of thousands of pounds a month pensions who believe we should do voluntary work in our retirement to collect our hard earned pension.

Leaving the EU won't stop any evil Tory plans from coming to fruition and if we want a REAL CHANGE in our democracy and the way we act in the world we should be thinking about NATO. 

What would we do if Turkey start a war with Russia over Syria, we would be forced to fight on their side whether they started the war by deception or not. I am more worried about World War III happening due to duplicitous NATO allies at the moment than the amount of money we pay in and get back in rebates from the EU.

We should also be thinking about how the Tories have tripled our national debt in the years they were supposedly "fixing the roof whilst the sun was shining", and supposedly cutting the ever so important deficit. The deficit may have dropped but the total amount of debt has increased hugely due to the Tories thinking that the poorer we all are, the more money we will spend.

They have failed us. In Europe, on the world stage and most importantly at home.

Austerity hasn't worked at all and the national debt has ballooned because of the Tories core voters (the grey brigade), will vote against anyone who dares to cut their pensions.

These take up a vast proportion of the social security budget and will undoubtedly be ignored whist the disabled and poor are forced to suffer through the bedroom tax, universal credit, and the severe lack of social housing we have in this country.

Europe has no control over these areas of our lives and if we want to sort out our country we really need to get rid of the failed Tories and try their method of printing money, not at 0% interest rates so the Banksters can lend it to us through companies like WONGA at 5,853% APR, but to invest in infrastructure, building new homes and putting people through education. If we can do it for the banks why can't we do it for the people?

Remember we were in a much worse off state in the years after WWII. We only just finished off paying our debt to the US a few years ago under Gordon Brown.

Despite that we still created the NHS, cleared the slums of London and built thousands of new houses and multiple new towns for the people moved out of London. Plus we ushered in an age of economic prosperity that latest decades.

It is only short-sighted Tory thinking that keeps us in the current trap we are in. One where bankers must be bailed out even though they should be in jail, and the poor are paying off the national debt, despite having no money.

If only we would just wipe any national debt on citizens like Iceland did to many mortgage holders that were linked to inflation. It sounds crazy but would put money in the pockets of those most likely to spend it, plus create a huge demand for goods and a rise in GDP.

Having a "National Bank" that can print money as long as it's for investment in houses and jobs could give us full employment, cheaper rent and accommodation costs and more money in the pocket to spend to increase GDP.

At the moment our whole economy, just like it was during Labours time in office, is built on the house of cards made from debt. People remortgaging houses or taking out loans to spend on goods. An unsustainable recovery. Screw the bankers who say it cannot be done. We did it for you, why can't we do it to actually help rebuild our country?

So the question is, are people going to think with their heads or their hearts about this exit from the EU.

A lot has changed with the European project to stop a further European war after WWII, with France and Germany the two main actors in this union coming together to ensure that the rest of Europe sticks together and shows "solidarity".

From stopping a war to free trade agreements and a central bank. Then a EU flag, courts and parliament. Then laws enforced on us which we don't want. All whilst we pay billions to be part of a club that's money could be better spent on hospitals and schools. That is one argument for leaving.

The problem is that war fades in people's minds, especially those who never fought in WWII or who had family who did.

"What does the EU have to do with WWII" many people will ask. 


Now that the EU project is more about creating a super state, it spies on us and hands over all bank transactions to the US as well as traces of our Internet history and anything else the NSA overlords demand. However even if we leave the EU I guess due to our "special relationship", with the US, we would still carry on letting our GCHQ be the NSA's bitch, so nothing would change on the police state front.

Also whilst we may collaborate as a big trading block to face China, the BRICS and North American trading blocks, can the BREXIT crew really convince us that on an economic scale we would really be better outside this trading block.

Selling tea to India, ornaments to Russia and other small manufactured products across the world is the BREXIT plan. We don't build big things anymore. Our ship building industry is almost gone and we have offshored so many jobs that actually make things, you know jobs good for all those skilled manual workers we are trying to find jobs for, that we are just a service economy. Selling ideas, concepts and of course bank trickery.

If we leave the EU will we survive without the cheap gas and electricity we import from the EU, or will we get extra tariffs put on them putting us even further into debt. The French/Chinese nuclear power stations that were supposed to be on their way have only just been signed off.

It will take another 20 years at least until we see these new power stations so we will be relying on our dwindling North Sea Oil stocks and imports seeing that we never really bothered investing in green energy.

This is despite being an island surrounded by multiple ways of making energy from natural sources such as the sea, wind and sun. We have loads of places to put under sea turbines that use wave power and windmills off shore to take in their blustery winds. We really never tried as we suffered from a  "not in my back garden" mentality, whenever a wind farm was proposed to be build anyway near a house.

So will people even consider the financial terms of leaving or will they think what the Sun, Daily Mail and other trash papers tell them to think?

The EU is a debt ridden collection of states that turned the thumb screws on Greece, Italy and Spain all so that they could enforce austerity, increase taxes and pay back Goldman Sachs and that other evil trio, the European Bank, IMF and World Bank.

Do we want to live in a place that see's solidarity between nations as one that involves throwing the poor to the dogs so that their rich Banksters who caused the mess can be fully compensated. Plus solidarity is not where Germany gets to bend the rules but smaller states can't lest they risk German austerity plans as the cost of remaining in the Euro.

This financial crisis that has still not been solved since 2008 is just waiting for another explosion. When it comes it will make 2008 look like a picnic.

Will the UK, the hub of banksters from the terrorist supporting, Mexican drug dealing, al-Qaeda funding HSBC to the corrupt Barclay's brothers, really be better inside or out when the next economic explosion occurs.

As the City of London is basically it's own country within a country, where the leaders of the companies and banks get to sit on their special council and can "command" the Chancellor to appear before them, they will probably see no difference in their money making schemes whether we leave or stay.

To me it all depends on who is in charge.

The Tories seem to want to put the strain of any recovery on the backs of the working class whilst rewarding their rich friends.

Their recent budget removed £30 from the disabled people of our country that gave them support to get dressed and move about and instead they have given the richest more tax breaks. It is clear where their priorities lie. Voting Tory is like voting for a gang rape on yourself. Why people do it I have no idea.

On the other hand Labour, SNP, the Greens and Lib Dems feel that a more even policy that involves banksters going to jail and splitting up the banks between Casinos and Savings is called for.

On top of that more measures that don't punish the poor but instead help them climb up the ladder whilst the rich who have become more wealthy in the last 5+ years are made to contribute their fair share.

Whether they will actually stick to their words is a totally different matter. We just have to look at the Lib Dems when they got their taste of power to see how power corrupts and good promises become faded memories.

So what will make you vote yes or no when the time comes?

EU Democracy or the lack of it?

The prospect of war?

Finance and austerity?

Migration?

Not being held to account to the European Convention of Human Rights (an act the Tories wrote after WWII to show how civilised we are)

Or something else?

Let me know.

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By Dark Politricks